Who understands and can explain the meaning of Romans 9:3-4?

[Amikam Israel]

So you're not going to tell me what your position on this is. Alright.

(By the way, if for some reason you really are interested The population genetics of the Jewish people)

You still did not answer my question. If you want to know my position, read the Greek texts. Start with Matthew 15:24

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Romans 9:3-4 states:
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Go on to read 6 and 7.
A lot of light is shed there for those who wish to see.

Number 6 is incredibly valuable. Notice that Israel is used twice.

Similar to Luke 9:60. Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God." Notice the word dead used twice?

 

[Wandering Monk]

How come you didn't answer my question? Was the genetic sampling done before allowing the people to settle into the land?

People also convert to Judaism. so the genetic thing will not help much.

 

[Amikam Israel]

I guess he thinks he is a 'little Christ' or something.

I thought this is a place to debate scriptures, rather than resort to personal attacks.

 

[Rival]

You still did not answer my question. If you want to know my position, read the Greek texts. Start with Matthew 15:24

I have read them. I am a former Christian. Is there any reason why you can't just tell us what your beliefs are?

 

[Amikam Israel]

People also convert to Judaism. so the genetic thing will not help much.

What does Judaism have to do with Romans 9:3-4?

 

[Rival]

I thought this is a place to debate scriptures, rather than resort to personal attacks.

You are free to use the report feature if you think someone is attacking you.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Because you have an agenda, by using phrases like 'people who claim to be Jews' and going on about the UN and the State of Israel, I want to know what is in your mind. You seem to believe that the Jewish people are somehow not the Jewish people, and I'm not kowtowing to these rubbish ideas. Tell me from which position you come.

I expect to hear the word 'Khazar' thrown out there pretty soon.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I thought this is a place to debate scriptures, rather than resort to personal attacks.

I was referring to Paul. Don't take offense.

 

[Rival]

What does Judaism have to do with Romans 9:3-4?

That's right. Nothing. So why this strange hang-up on Jewish ethnicity?

 

[Amikam Israel]

I have read them. I am a former Christian. Is there any reason why you can't just tell us what your beliefs are?

Read the bible and you'll find out. I already pointed out the relevant scriptures to you. @Wandering Monk probably knows. Ask him. But just to clarify. Beliefs are not truth. But if I were to say what I believe in, I would say it is the truth. And what is the truth? Psalms 119:142

 

[Wandering Monk]

What does Judaism have to do with Romans 9:3-4?

Conversion in the day had more national meaning than religious. I think Paul has this in mind when he says Christians become part of the commonwealth of Israel. This has decidedly political overtones.

 

[Amikam Israel]

That's right. Nothing. So why this strange hang-up on Jewish ethnicity?

You're absolutely right. Nothing that pertaineth to the Israelites pertaineth to the Jewish.

 

[Rival]

Read the bible and you'll find out. I already pointed out the relevant scriptures to you. @Wandering Monk probably knows. Ask him. But just to clarify. Beliefs are not truth. But if I were to say what I believe in, I would say it is the truth. And what is the truth? Psalms 119:142

If you're just here to preach to us, you won't be here for very long. I am not interested in reading your scriptures. What are your beliefs? Is it so difficult to put it into a few paragraphs?

 

[Rival]

You're absolutely right. Nothing that pertaineth to the Israelites pertaineth to the Jewish.

This is rubbish. And with it, I'm done.

 

[Amikam Israel]

Joseph Smith said it was,

3 For once I could have wished that myself were accursed from Christ,
for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

And WHO are the Israelites today? And what were the promises?

 

[Amikam Israel]

If you're just here to preach to us, you won't be here for very long. I am not interested in reading your scriptures. What are your beliefs? Is it so difficult to put it into a few paragraphs?

I already did here: Who understands and can explain the meaning of Romans 9:3-4?

 

[robocop (actually)]

And WHO are the Israelites today? And what were the promises?

The Christians?

Given that this is in the New Testament...

 

[Wandering Monk]

Yeah, I think we all need to get familiar with the passage that first describes the New Covenant and its better promises: Jeremiah 31 thru 34.

 

[Rival]

I already did here: Who understands and can explain the meaning of Romans 9:3-4?

So you're a Christian pretending to be a Jew. Got it.