Who Wants to Live Forever? And Why?

[muichimotsu]

Well what we have overhead has been around for a long time.(so to speak)
I would like to think the Creator that started all of this will still be round about.

If He isn't.....then asking Him why (about the universe) might be a bit difficult.
If God fails to live forever......what hope (or future) do you have?

Wasn't there a scifi story where they said God was an immortal being that created humans to find a way to kill it?

 

[muichimotsu]

Time is not a force or a substance.
It's not real.
It is a cognitive device made by Man to serve Man.

It doesn't have to be a force or substance to not be real in a sense of experience and coherent concepts that apply to things that are substantial, like objects. Numbers aren't force or substance, yet I think you'd say numbers exist in the sense that is significant, yet incorporeal in that we cannot experience it like many things in life with tangible realism.

 

[Thief]

Wasn't there a scifi story where they said God was an immortal being that created humans to find a way to kill it?

similar to 'Prometheus' in the latest film of such title?

 

[Thief]

It doesn't have to be a force or substance to not be real in a sense of experience and coherent concepts that apply to things that are substantial, like objects. Numbers aren't force or substance, yet I think you'd say numbers exist in the sense that is significant, yet incorporeal in that we cannot experience it like many things in life with tangible realism.

and theoretical physicists have a problem with numbers that just keep coming.
they can't pin anything to one equation.
ask Albert.

 

[muichimotsu]

similar to 'Prometheus' in the latest film of such title?

Haven't seen it and I don't recall that plot point from the rough summary I read.

 

[muichimotsu]

and theoretical physicists have a problem with numbers that just keep coming.
they can't pin anything to one equation.
ask Albert.

Linking all the forces together can be done, though demonstrating it in actuality is more difficult. I believe it was All Star Superman that had Lex Luthor figure out that gravity affected time, so that the higher gravity, the faster time progressed, and then he pieced all that together into a theory of universal mechanics or such.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Mathematics is still technically abstract in nature, it's not realized in a concrete fashion like we can with energy.

It's less abstract than energy. Modern physics is, in general, for more mathematical than physical: Mathematics: Formalisms or Physics? Mathematics and the nature of reality

But infinity would require a perspective we don't have

Physics requires infinities conceptually distinct from one another which we understand thanks to perspective we have.

 

[Thief]

Haven't seen it and I don't recall that plot point from the rough summary I read.

yeah ....you mention a creating only to turn about and seek a means to destroy it.
pretty much the thrust of question even to the end of the show.

 

[Thief]

It's less abstract than energy. Modern physics is, in general, for more mathematical than physical: Mathematics: Formalisms or Physics? Mathematics and the nature of reality


Physics requires infinities conceptually distinct from one another which we understand thanks to perspective we have.

Dr Kaku might suggest otherwise.
He was the star of the show in that science documentary.
and he did say theoretical physics has a 'problem' with infinity.

so....the perspective 'we' have is .......what?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Dr Kaku might suggest otherwise.

So might many on this site, many blogs, and even several physicists like Dr. Chopra.

However, I tend to trust the physics literature rather than popular junk intended at best as simplifications and more generally to make money off of others' ignorance.

 

[Thief]

So might many on this site, many blogs, and even several physicists like Dr. Chopra.

However, I tend to trust the physics literature rather than popular junk intended at best as simplifications and more generally to make money off of others' ignorance.

yeah....look out for the commercials.....

But I don't have a problem with infinity.
I could go on forever about that.

What might difficult about eternity however.....
is getting stuck with a large number of shmucks like me.....and no One in charge!

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

yeah....look out for the commercials.....

Unlike you, I read the literature, not the cliff notes or guru bullcrap published for the gullible.

 

[Thief]

Unlike you, I read the literature, not the cliff notes or guru bullcrap published for the gullible.

AH!.....the devil is in the details!

Still there is that chair holding you up.
Does that reality feel firm enough beneath your butt?

Or is there an equation for that?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

AH!.....the devil is in the details!

And the road to ignorance as wide as could be. Anybody can spout nonsense about a topic using badly written prose lacking any informed content. I just don't see why you seem to admire the opportunities to do so.

 

[Thief]

And the road to ignorance as wide as could be. Anybody can spout nonsense about a topic using badly written prose lacking any informed content. I just don't see why you seem to admire the opportunities to do so.

Because reality will continue.....whether we have numbers for it....or not.

 

[muichimotsu]

Merely because we can conceive of infinity doesn't mean it follows that it must exist: the ontological argument for God's existence has the same issue brought up

 

[Thief]

Merely because we can conceive of infinity doesn't mean it follows that it must exist: the ontological argument for God's existence has the same issue brought up

Such as the term ...Almighty?.....or Creator?

 

[muichimotsu]

Creator is less about pure potency and more a capacity to do a particularly impressive thing, but not other impressive things. Almighty or perfect would entail such a thing that could have no equal or share any power, which would arguably support Unitarian theology.

Conception of something as the most powerful doesn't make it so, nor does it necessarily follow to them being something that must exist from that. I could conceive of something nightmarishly scary, but it doesn't come to being because of that. This isn't that one horror movie.

 

[Thief]

Creator is less about pure potency and more a capacity to do a particularly impressive thing, but not other impressive things. Almighty or perfect would entail such a thing that could have no equal or share any power, which would arguably support Unitarian theology.

Conception of something as the most powerful doesn't make it so, nor does it necessarily follow to them being something that must exist from that. I could conceive of something nightmarishly scary, but it doesn't come to being because of that. This isn't that one horror movie.

Almighty...is self explanatory....
in the scheme of life and living.....Someone is top of the line.

I think it follows....the Almighty would be the Creator.
That one ability held by the First in Spirit.....would be the Almighty.

 

[muichimotsu]

The issue would still remain even if one acknowledged some entity like that: why should I worship or give it any recognition?