Truthseeker
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You have not looked at it with an open mind, I have observed. Also you learned only a bit about Him, as you have just observed. Not enough to form a informed opinion.
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Who Was Baha’u’llah, and How Can We Evaluate His Claims?
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rational experiences
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Is a human man the theist first gainer in thoughts of man about a message about God. Only inferred by his human being?
Yes.
The original man human science of God theist. Who caused life's sacrifice by changing gods earth mass and heavenly gases.
Isn't the teaching direct to that theists advice and event...human the theist man not consciously balanced by O gods earth holy Cross +...2 ice poles. 2 positions equator?
Sacrificed life by his unholy cross + addition when he only owned his human being and not gods earth body mass?
Yes should be your man human answer.
Don't we all live on earth?
Yes.
Didn't men say I name it God?
Yes.
So don't we all use god earths spirits as we live?
Yes.
Equally and not especially?
Yes should be your answer.
The term Adam life of man's god science change is linked to Jesus quotes as it's man's god science causes only.
As falling stars own the body mass as one of earth events only. Any time it returned.
Yes.
The original man human science of God theist. Who caused life's sacrifice by changing gods earth mass and heavenly gases.
Isn't the teaching direct to that theists advice and event...human the theist man not consciously balanced by O gods earth holy Cross +...2 ice poles. 2 positions equator?
Sacrificed life by his unholy cross + addition when he only owned his human being and not gods earth body mass?
Yes should be your man human answer.
Don't we all live on earth?
Yes.
Didn't men say I name it God?
Yes.
So don't we all use god earths spirits as we live?
Yes.
Equally and not especially?
Yes should be your answer.
The term Adam life of man's god science change is linked to Jesus quotes as it's man's god science causes only.
As falling stars own the body mass as one of earth events only. Any time it returned.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
All human's are equal first. There is no special human. Don't self idolise humans owned teaching.
The saviour in man's science terms.....
Ice body remassed every end of year returned sea of son.
Season not a human. Notice how you infer son in the terms of earth as God.
As said by men in science I own seasons on earth as balances also + cross theme.
Said wandering star put stone metal dust particles back into earths light that kept it burning.
Life biology only in light conditions a teaching of man's science. Observations of men. You have to be a man to see it.
So don't pretend it's your body.
The saviour in man's science terms.....
Ice body remassed every end of year returned sea of son.
Season not a human. Notice how you infer son in the terms of earth as God.
As said by men in science I own seasons on earth as balances also + cross theme.
Said wandering star put stone metal dust particles back into earths light that kept it burning.
Life biology only in light conditions a teaching of man's science. Observations of men. You have to be a man to see it.
So don't pretend it's your body.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, that double negative is confusing.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
In science a man's intentions is not to do an earth Jesus. Sink hole.Yes, that double negative is confusing.
As Jesus theme a hole opened in ground mass as space womb opened larger too above. Ended.
Updated his nuclear evaluation forced cooling that he only applies as natural law doesn't.
Says mass destruction to residue is a negative.
A double negative is total negation a hole nothing.
As nothing was never man's science thesis beginning as he used earths mass as the theist. His intention to remove it to nothing was told as destroyer mentality. His confession.
As he had in fact theoried for the gain of earths mass total disappearance.
As he wanted the immaculate no burning body only space held.
No light means in thesis no earth mass either that was once historic alight burning.
What you were warned about...lying.
Science today doesn't want Jesus to end they want to hold it. Overcoming earths law vacuum position that stopped it.
As bio life was saved. He wants the machines reaction saved to be constant. Machines back then blew up.
Why one by one nuclear residue position is being attacked removed as a power plant. As the machines answer.
Which is worse than a sin hole. It's earth becoming a star not a planet.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
That's one of the problems I have with Baha'i beliefs. They can say they believe all the religions are true. They can narrow it down and say that all the major religions are true. But then they turn around say all the things they don't believe about the other religions. Reincarnation is one of those things. But If Baha'is took any sect of Hinduism, I'm sure they'd find several things they don't believe in. So, what do Baha'is really believe about the other religions? It seems to me that it is just a few very basic, general things like... some version of the Golden Rule.
For me, that is not enough to support their claim that all religions are from this one true God they speak of. And God sent a special creation, a manifestation, to reveal his laws and things to the people in that culture. It seems much more likely that each culture made up their own Gods and laws and spiritual beliefs.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Only living humans as a self today argue today about a humans use of information. As a theory by human stories.
Whilst all natural positions exact now exist. Including their selves.
Just a human.
Your claim is the human information is important. Yet seemingly you are coerced in argument not to produce the theme of those teachings.
To stop life's bio sacrifice.
As we're all only just humans.
Now if you say God will save me against Rich men's inhumanity sciences reactions. That are removing ice our stable life.
They argue flooding bodies are happening yet islands still above sea. As water evaporation new cloud amassing has taken ices melt first.
Why the say science theme says it isn't real about ice melt. Coercive statement.
Flooding however is real. Just not constant yet.
Then the teaching said four days in the past was a horrific earth rendering...God earth mass was nuclear involved with upper cold gas burning that sacrificed flayed skin off humans.
Man of science caused and had mocked us by theme a war against God. As man scientist produces the science war against God.
So first it's satanic as Satan angels images are in clouds too. Then man's sacrificed life image emerged.
So the theme is also about removing Satan's angels images today with an aliens image. By nuclear sun orbital metal mass accumulation. How the image emerged burning earths Rock gases.
As a scientists alien caused war against God.
So old volcanic rocks mass cooled earth ground chemistry above ground gets heated converted back to New ground dusts. Many colours. Gods earth body history sacrificed as evidence.
An alien machine war of man by design. As we don't own sun asteroid metals. The atmosphere only does.
Man wants the alien machine to become God earths machine. The anti Christ man's teachings.
In sciences cross add to minus mass.+. The false preacher the anti Christ is human scientists. Their name is destruction of the + science of gods cross. Coercion he adds first without owning. + False cross.
As Satan is a star angel. Why Satan angels are seen in stars....no planet existing.
Earth had about a half of its origin body mass removed for Satan to image in our clouds. First origin earth scene of mans crime.
Earth now owns an increased larger space vacuum black hole theme because of man's science. Which he is fully warned about. Where his mind theories in man's memory reality history.
Human man. Man on earth. Man the scientist theist who had destroyed origin earth mass and life. Memory of a man...so he begins his thesis with earths space womb void himself.
As science caused its increase. His mind congratulates itself on what science had caused. A warning ego of man.
Consciously. Held in Satan angel cloud man memories. Visions. Voices recorded. Before Moses incident put a new man image in clouds once again as life was bio sacrificed.
Father of man human life destroyed image. Life's ground water taken to reform new cloud mass he had burnt out. Oxygen taken. Water mass taken. Microbes taken..living food. Burnt.
As clouds own gases and they are both hot and cold.
Who purposely hurt the poor humans as they're rich. Could care less in their cult activity. It's only about control of human family and becoming richer.
Why the church founded a legal system as a hypocrite. A rich man's aware teaching.
So Jesus the womb void vacuum stopped extra gas burning as themed the mother of science. God and Jesus saved life said witnesses. Reactive outcome only.
Then the image of man was seen in clouds along with the other origin father man of science. Along with all animals life ever sacrificed.
New cloud images. Life's holy water oxygen ground taken as burning chemicals not a gas emerged out of rock.
As it was stated. Mountain erection penis theme that released gases. History God. A volcano body.
How God and Jesus cloud remassing saved life from Satanism nuclear science.
Exact teaching.
So men Moses theme but temples atop of mountains were using natural cloud mass to keep transmitters cool.
Knowing it's science transmitters are evil.
Is known by any science theist memory today. Man's memories as the theist.
Why he built the temple machine transmitters on mountains.
Mountain was attacked as he tried to melt convert earth mass back to its beginnings into a volcano.
As cold gas history heavens had come out of a volcano as spirit and not rock. The lie of a theist.
Rock his machines substance. In a theme. So he pretended his machine God rock first.
Volcanic melt theists cosmic mass prediction first place...beginning. reactive mass beginning in natural position.
UFO ark melt hit Ararat. Caused by man of science.
You can't put a volcano by cosmic theme inside your machine brother. Strung theme fake thesis to get a machine is out of melt.
Man's mind in science says he used holy life's water spirit everywhere in science causes.
It saved my machine he said...how he alchemised to own a machine. Says falsely life holy spirit saved my machine.
All components saved by ice and water from ice melt also. Our bio saviour. Says it first...lying. as biology owns it exact.
Knows.
He falsified thesis claiming he uses humans holy life mainly water in biology to own science and science powers.
Reacts. Water allows saved the reaction yet the reaction burns out mass... so it didn't save sciences mass. Another lie of a theist.
As it's just a natural human aware words as that fake storyteller first. Unnaturally ..who the anti Christ false preacher is. The scientist.
Known. What the human reality is. I proved man theist got science identification from a returning stone rock mass hitting earth.
Proof he had. The star mass itself.
Whose own beginning point a burning sun mass.
So a theists two positions beginnings position is both burning mass.
No life at all. Lies. It's named sophist mathematical word coercion.
The man.men agreed cult agreement.
Don't believe in holy Satan cloud angel.
Believes in aliens from hell beginning's position.
So his brother says the law of evolution coldest is the only correct science status. Seen observed known as natural science was never technology or resource for technology.
As the human a theist tells stories first in the natural position only as belief about natural. Not fact about natural.
The position who a human theist is first and only. A storyteller.
Whilst all natural positions exact now exist. Including their selves.
Just a human.
Your claim is the human information is important. Yet seemingly you are coerced in argument not to produce the theme of those teachings.
To stop life's bio sacrifice.
As we're all only just humans.
Now if you say God will save me against Rich men's inhumanity sciences reactions. That are removing ice our stable life.
They argue flooding bodies are happening yet islands still above sea. As water evaporation new cloud amassing has taken ices melt first.
Why the say science theme says it isn't real about ice melt. Coercive statement.
Flooding however is real. Just not constant yet.
Then the teaching said four days in the past was a horrific earth rendering...God earth mass was nuclear involved with upper cold gas burning that sacrificed flayed skin off humans.
Man of science caused and had mocked us by theme a war against God. As man scientist produces the science war against God.
So first it's satanic as Satan angels images are in clouds too. Then man's sacrificed life image emerged.
So the theme is also about removing Satan's angels images today with an aliens image. By nuclear sun orbital metal mass accumulation. How the image emerged burning earths Rock gases.
As a scientists alien caused war against God.
So old volcanic rocks mass cooled earth ground chemistry above ground gets heated converted back to New ground dusts. Many colours. Gods earth body history sacrificed as evidence.
An alien machine war of man by design. As we don't own sun asteroid metals. The atmosphere only does.
Man wants the alien machine to become God earths machine. The anti Christ man's teachings.
In sciences cross add to minus mass.+. The false preacher the anti Christ is human scientists. Their name is destruction of the + science of gods cross. Coercion he adds first without owning. + False cross.
As Satan is a star angel. Why Satan angels are seen in stars....no planet existing.
Earth had about a half of its origin body mass removed for Satan to image in our clouds. First origin earth scene of mans crime.
Earth now owns an increased larger space vacuum black hole theme because of man's science. Which he is fully warned about. Where his mind theories in man's memory reality history.
Human man. Man on earth. Man the scientist theist who had destroyed origin earth mass and life. Memory of a man...so he begins his thesis with earths space womb void himself.
As science caused its increase. His mind congratulates itself on what science had caused. A warning ego of man.
Consciously. Held in Satan angel cloud man memories. Visions. Voices recorded. Before Moses incident put a new man image in clouds once again as life was bio sacrificed.
Father of man human life destroyed image. Life's ground water taken to reform new cloud mass he had burnt out. Oxygen taken. Water mass taken. Microbes taken..living food. Burnt.
As clouds own gases and they are both hot and cold.
Who purposely hurt the poor humans as they're rich. Could care less in their cult activity. It's only about control of human family and becoming richer.
Why the church founded a legal system as a hypocrite. A rich man's aware teaching.
So Jesus the womb void vacuum stopped extra gas burning as themed the mother of science. God and Jesus saved life said witnesses. Reactive outcome only.
Then the image of man was seen in clouds along with the other origin father man of science. Along with all animals life ever sacrificed.
New cloud images. Life's holy water oxygen ground taken as burning chemicals not a gas emerged out of rock.
As it was stated. Mountain erection penis theme that released gases. History God. A volcano body.
How God and Jesus cloud remassing saved life from Satanism nuclear science.
Exact teaching.
So men Moses theme but temples atop of mountains were using natural cloud mass to keep transmitters cool.
Knowing it's science transmitters are evil.
Is known by any science theist memory today. Man's memories as the theist.
Why he built the temple machine transmitters on mountains.
Mountain was attacked as he tried to melt convert earth mass back to its beginnings into a volcano.
As cold gas history heavens had come out of a volcano as spirit and not rock. The lie of a theist.
Rock his machines substance. In a theme. So he pretended his machine God rock first.
Volcanic melt theists cosmic mass prediction first place...beginning. reactive mass beginning in natural position.
UFO ark melt hit Ararat. Caused by man of science.
You can't put a volcano by cosmic theme inside your machine brother. Strung theme fake thesis to get a machine is out of melt.
Man's mind in science says he used holy life's water spirit everywhere in science causes.
It saved my machine he said...how he alchemised to own a machine. Says falsely life holy spirit saved my machine.
All components saved by ice and water from ice melt also. Our bio saviour. Says it first...lying. as biology owns it exact.
Knows.
He falsified thesis claiming he uses humans holy life mainly water in biology to own science and science powers.
Reacts. Water allows saved the reaction yet the reaction burns out mass... so it didn't save sciences mass. Another lie of a theist.
As it's just a natural human aware words as that fake storyteller first. Unnaturally ..who the anti Christ false preacher is. The scientist.
Known. What the human reality is. I proved man theist got science identification from a returning stone rock mass hitting earth.
Proof he had. The star mass itself.
Whose own beginning point a burning sun mass.
So a theists two positions beginnings position is both burning mass.
No life at all. Lies. It's named sophist mathematical word coercion.
The man.men agreed cult agreement.
Don't believe in holy Satan cloud angel.
Believes in aliens from hell beginning's position.
So his brother says the law of evolution coldest is the only correct science status. Seen observed known as natural science was never technology or resource for technology.
As the human a theist tells stories first in the natural position only as belief about natural. Not fact about natural.
The position who a human theist is first and only. A storyteller.
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samtonga43
Well-Known Member
What type of evidence are you referring to?
Epistemology: How do you know that you know what you know? - Farnam Street
Evidence (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
No, I have learned more than ‘a bit’. (I used what we call in U.K. an ‘understatement’)
What does an open mind look like? Isn’t our mind, when we investigate a subject we know nothing about, ready to accept that which makes sense and reject that which does not? This is how I approached the subject of Bahaism.
And I must repeat that it is my informed opinion that it is extremely unlikely that MrB Is a messenger of God.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
It is irrational if she does not know what ‘most scholars’ believe or don’t believe.
Since she cannot possibly know this, she is being irrational.
QED
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
You are correct. I cannot say that most scholars don't believe the details in the Gospels were not accurate.
And I have never said that most scholars don't believe the details in the Gospels were not accurate.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
The result of this type of irrational thinking would be that we can know nothing of what Julius Caesar or George Washington (just two examples) said or did.
My personal opinion of MrB is based on…
1 His belief that God spoke to him
and
2. The words he believed he heard.
This opinion leads me to the conclusion that it is highly unlikely that MrB is a 'messenger of God'.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Objective evidence.
Subjective evidence is evidence that we cannot evaluate. In fact, we have two choices; to accept what somebody says or reject it. ... Objective evidence is evidence that we can examine and evaluate for ourselves.
Objective evidence - definition and meaning - Market ...
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I can know this by reading what ‘most scholars’ believe or don’t believe.
This information is readily available on the internet.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
So why do you question loverofhumanity's belief that Baha’u’llah teaches Bahais to revere the Holy Bible?
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
Are you saying that you have read the views of MOST scholars on this subject?
Really?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Not even close. Jesus wrote nothing. Nobody who wrote 'about Jesus' knew Jesus personally.
How do we know so much about Julius Caesar?
Caesar was an accomplished author and historian as well as a statesman; much of his life is known from his own accounts of his military campaigns. Other contemporary sources include the letters and speeches of Cicero and the historical writings of Sallust.
Julius Caesar - Wikipedia
Who wrote about George Washington?
Jared Sparks' The Writings of George Washington was published in eleven volumes between 1833 and 1837.
George Washington's Papers
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I questioned it because I never saw it in Baha'u'llah's Writings.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
No, when I said 'types' I meant the epistemological types. I directed you to the following sites
Epistemology: How do you know that you know what you know? - Farnam Street
Evidence (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, I am not saying I have read the views of most scholars, I said I can know the views of most scholars if I read them since this information is readily available on the internet.Are you saying that you have read the views of MOST scholars on this subject?
Really?