Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that is not Biblical. A prophet was one whose prophecies came true. Jesus qualifies and so does John the Baptist.
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Who Was Baha’u’llah, and How Can We Evaluate His Claims?
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I believe that is not Biblical. A prophet was one whose prophecies came true. Jesus qualifies and so does John the Baptist.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe Jesus has said not to look for Him on earth because those men making that claim would be deceivers.
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Both Jesus and John the Baptist were asked to confirm their mission.
Then start sharing those contradictions, that is a direct and firm challenge.
Regards Tony
Matthew 12:33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit.
So what is the Bad fruit?
Regards Tony
Revelation 19:15-16
Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
That is Baha'u'llah, the Nations have have felt the strike of that sword. The Word of God.
The world faces the wrath of rejection.
IMHO. Stay safe, stay happy, stay well, Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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It is very clear and obvious when Jesus was speaking metaphorically, because the writers told us... "This is a parable". When the writers are talking about something that Jesus did, like walk on water or rise from the dead, why would those be metaphorical? And don't tell me because they go against known science, and then tell me that God can do anything. But, like I always tell Baha'is, if you want to say that the writers made it up or were just repeating the legends and myths that arose about the life of Jesus, then I'm okay with that. But I don't believe the writers were telling stories of healings, and Jesus walking on water and rising from the dead and meant those stories to be taken metaphorically.
Oh, and which verses in the NT are you using to claim Baha'u'llah is "the Father"?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
And what does it mean to "embrace" it wholeheartedly? I get the feeling that you "embrace" the Baha'i interpretation of the Bible. So, for me, that is very misleading. I still think that Baha'is that question its authenticity and the accuracy of some of the stories are being much more honest.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
So, if Baha'u'llah is not the return of Christ, then who was he and what is the Baha'i Faith?
The entire Bible was given to prepare us for this Day of God CG. IMHO
Thus to embrace the Bible wholeheartedly is to embrace all the Messengers that the Bible has prepared us for. That is Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.
We are to see naught but Christ and that is what the Bible has shown me.
Regards Tony
rational experiences
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O a planet is named by a man's word living on it.
Had no name itself. Creation doesn't explain itself.
Exact human aware wisdom.
Jesus never existed it's a titled name men of science gave his science data.
All men are human as a man don't own names.
We use apply names for our human selves.
Wisdom.
Once the scientific testimonial was titled Moses.
As men changed earths gas mass body. Ice body mass saviour. God earths mass. As memory said their conversion gained gold. Their commodity.
A wisdom in converting mass.
And it got life destroyed.
So the new data testimony is letters numbers that created new words.
The number said the letter was J E S U S.
Testimony attacked life yes by Phi caused it.
As men theoried pi Phi in their own human head first. The exact position didn't exist in existence natural.
As in reality a circle given a number by a man never existed.
Science came out of nothing itself said human liars.
O the circle not owning anything. Then numbers came out of it. Out of nowhere said a lying human theist.
So the teachings said.
After moses nearly destroyed all life on earth. DNA family types shrunk to a human small family group only rest DNA damaged remaining human but owned as a sacrificed life form.
By cooling heavens remassing its body mass allowed water ground pressures to hold life's water oxygenation to our bodies.
Holy ox a Christ symbol.
Body mass in gases changes ground pressure.
Water gets held where it belongs. With life supporting it's survival.
Ice the saviour stopped melting.
So O ovary cell mother's human womb healed in some women's life chosen. As 2012 was when complete human healing would inherit.
Babies healed once sacrificed returned to families life. A teaching only.
Oh holy human baby. Our life continuance
Science temple rebuilt. Repracticed by Romans who updated technical model including Stonehenge
Didn't work. Life got as sacrificed again. As biology owns ice that keeps heavens body cool and present to allow water holy to be oxygenated to live.
A teaching only.
Star fall...a wandering star owns holy light.
A falling star burns you to death. Proof Russia.
In one country it can be holy as it passed. Next moment it explodes burns everyone to death in another country.
A teaching.
Where men got mind wisdom from how to convert earths mass the star originally.
Had no name itself. Creation doesn't explain itself.
Exact human aware wisdom.
Jesus never existed it's a titled name men of science gave his science data.
All men are human as a man don't own names.
We use apply names for our human selves.
Wisdom.
Once the scientific testimonial was titled Moses.
As men changed earths gas mass body. Ice body mass saviour. God earths mass. As memory said their conversion gained gold. Their commodity.
A wisdom in converting mass.
And it got life destroyed.
So the new data testimony is letters numbers that created new words.
The number said the letter was J E S U S.
Testimony attacked life yes by Phi caused it.
As men theoried pi Phi in their own human head first. The exact position didn't exist in existence natural.
As in reality a circle given a number by a man never existed.
Science came out of nothing itself said human liars.
O the circle not owning anything. Then numbers came out of it. Out of nowhere said a lying human theist.
So the teachings said.
After moses nearly destroyed all life on earth. DNA family types shrunk to a human small family group only rest DNA damaged remaining human but owned as a sacrificed life form.
By cooling heavens remassing its body mass allowed water ground pressures to hold life's water oxygenation to our bodies.
Holy ox a Christ symbol.
Body mass in gases changes ground pressure.
Water gets held where it belongs. With life supporting it's survival.
Ice the saviour stopped melting.
So O ovary cell mother's human womb healed in some women's life chosen. As 2012 was when complete human healing would inherit.
Babies healed once sacrificed returned to families life. A teaching only.
Oh holy human baby. Our life continuance
Science temple rebuilt. Repracticed by Romans who updated technical model including Stonehenge
Didn't work. Life got as sacrificed again. As biology owns ice that keeps heavens body cool and present to allow water holy to be oxygenated to live.
A teaching only.
Star fall...a wandering star owns holy light.
A falling star burns you to death. Proof Russia.
In one country it can be holy as it passed. Next moment it explodes burns everyone to death in another country.
A teaching.
Where men got mind wisdom from how to convert earths mass the star originally.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
A natural spiritual life a human. A wise man taught. Who survived his teaching. Knew fathers human life is holy and spiritual.
Said once we were better humans. Polite. Kind. Caring...as father's water spirit would have saved him as the star was burning life again. By fallout terms. Ice had melted father's life once owned a huge water mass support.
Not only saved his life but many humans.
The Bible as I understand it is not a novel written by authors but the Word of God which means it’s authors received inspiration through the Holy Spirit, not your everyday newspaper reporter. There is no doubt that Jesus had powers to heal the physically noting that one day these people will die anyway. So healing the sick is not really a true miracle. But bestowing the life of the spirit on a disbeliever is an eternal healing to last beyond this life. When Christ healed the sick and caused people to be ‘reborn’, spiritual life is meant as physically we all must succumb to death eventually.
Its very interesting you mention Father as Christ makes references to His return in the glory of the Father with angels only two verses later. So both the interpretation of the Book as well as returning as the Father are mentioned as being features of the Second Coming.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Yes, but that is your Baha'i interpretation that you are wholeheartedly embracing. Which has nothing to do with how Born-Again Christians interpret the Bible, nor how Orthodox Jews interpret the Bible. You wholeheartedly don't embrace the Bible like they do. Baha'is believe they are interpreting the Bible wrong. The Jewish interpretation rejects Jesus, Muhammad and the Bab and Baha'u'llah. And the Christian interpretation believes that Jesus is the Messiah and is coming back and rejects Islam and the Baha'i Faith as false religions. And they wholeheartedly believe that. So what does "embracing" something wholeheartedly mean if each religion makes up their own interpretation of the Bible? And each of those interpretations in the different religions contradicts the interpretations made by the others. You believe you are right and embrace it. And they embrace theirs.
So again, Baha'is are only embracing a Baha'i interpretation of the Bible. And, since you're a Baha'i, I would expect you to embrace it wholeheartedly. But it is very misleading to say that without defining what it is that Baha'is really believe about the Bible. Do you believe the creation story? No. Do you believe the resurrection story? No. You believe in a symbolic interpretation of those and most all other Bible stories. Which is fine... if you are going to be honest and say what it is you "wholeheartedly" believe about the Bible.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
So, if the Bible is the Word of God. And the writers were inspired by the Holy Spirit and were not "your everyday newspaper reporter", then is the Bible literally and historically true?
To me, the miracles Jesus performed was to give the people proof that he was from God. But do you really believe they really happened? Water turned into wine? He walked on water? He cast demons out of people? And raised Lazarus back to life? Or, were the writers being "symbolic"? Or, were the writers embellishing the story with made up myths and legends?
And, to you, to come in the "glory" of his father, means he is the father?
CG, why does that matter? If God chooses the Messengers who then give the Message, how others choose to react to that is not my concern, nor is it an issue for me to concern myself with.
I have my own choices to make.
And as far as explaining the Bible from a Baha'i perspective, that has been done to death here, yet you would still accuse Baha'is of being dishonest.
Regards Tony
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
You do not even call it by the proper name. It is Baha'i, not Baha'ism. I am ready to accept what makes sense, and the Baha'i faith does make sense to me. It does not make sense to you because your mind is full of what you already believe, I allege. A mind is not open when it is already full.
It is my informed opinion that it is extremely likely Baha'u'llah is a Messenger of God.
This passage from the Bible is also expressed in different ways in other Holy Books but I’m using this one as it covers the rest. The full true interpretation of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Holy Books is not available to the believers but is to be revealed on the Day of Resurrection, when Christ returns etc.
Here are some verses to prove that the interpretation current among Jews, Christians and Muslims is just a common one but not THE AUTHORITATIVE correct interpretation.
Jewish Example
Daniel
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Christian Example
Revelation ch 5. Vs 1-5
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Islam
Sura 7:50
50 And now have we brought them the Book: with knowledge have we explained it; a guidance and a mercy to them that believe. What have they to wait for now but its interpretation? When its interpretation shall come, they who aforetime were oblivious of it shall say, ‘The Prophets of our Lord did indeed bring the truth; (Rodwell)
And there are many more such texts throughout these Holy Books which state that the true interpretation is unknown to man but would be revealed by the Promised One which we believe to be Baha’u’llah.
So it is not Baha’is who are interpreting these Books like Christians, Jews and Muslims are doing. Baha’is interpret NOTHING.
We maintain that the interpretation given by Baha’u’llah is the AUTHORITATIVE true, correct and accurate one as He is the One that all these scriptures point towards.
Christians, Jews and Muslims should not be interpreting their Books but they are going against this instruction by doing so. Daniel was told to go his own way so that also meant every Jew. Christian’s were clearly told that no one not even a person from heaven could know the meanings except ONLY the Lion of the Tribe of Judah Who is the Promised One yet they come out with a new interpretation daily against what they have been instructed to do.
Muslims have been told the interpretation will come but they still interpret their Book.
Baha’is are the only people who DON’T interpret the Holy Books but get the interpretation from Baha’u’llah.
So the real question here is why are religionists interpreting their Books against their law thus creating confusion and not looking for the Promised One?
The remaining issue is - Is Baha’u’llah the Promised One? If He is then only His interpretation is authoritative and accurate. Regardless, the followers of religions should not be interpreting their Holy Books and creating rifts and schisms.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
It was passed by word of mouth orally for 30 years or more, though what he said and did is not as reliable evidence as with Baha'u'llah. Take that @samtonga43. What Baha'u'llah said was written down immediately or He wrote it Himself. There are accounts of His life told to Nabil by those who saw the events or written down in journals.