Who was Jesus Christ?

[Starlight]

I believe Jesus is a holy soul from God

 

[lukethethird]

You identify as "Xian" here on RF. This statement above and many others in other threads is extremely confusing to me.

What does it mean to be an "Xian"?

I am a member of the Anglican church.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

None of the choices seem to be right.

Both "Messiah" and "Christ" mean "anointed one". The four gospels have a number of accounts of Jesus' head or feet being anointed. That means he was a Christ and a Messiah just as anyone else who was anointed automatically (and technically) became a Christ and Messiah. Whether one of the anointments of Jesus was the particulr anointment that Moses was thinking of is hard to defend considering the differences in place and time.

OK, so, if I want to add another option to the poll, to represent your choice what would it be?

 

[dybmh]

I am a member of the Anglican church.

From The Anglican Church in North America

Anglicanism is a worldwide body of Christians responding to God’s revelation through Jesus Christ. Anglicanism brings together the authority of the Bible, the historic faith, and the beauty of structured prayer. It is rooted in tradition, yet contemporary in practice. It is united in substance, yet diverse in expression. We are a global family living out our faith in local communities.

... God’s revelation through Jesus Christ ...

But you said:

A figment of the imagination of Paul, or whomever or however those epistles were derived or based on. Boils down to just not knowing.

So your religion is "God's revelation through a figment of the imagination"?

 

[Pete in Panama]

OK, so, if I want to add another option to the poll, to represent your choice what would it be?

"none of the above"

 

[YoursTrue]

From The Anglican Church in North America

Anglicanism is a worldwide body of Christians responding to God’s revelation through Jesus Christ. Anglicanism brings together the authority of the Bible, the historic faith, and the beauty of structured prayer. It is rooted in tradition, yet contemporary in practice. It is united in substance, yet diverse in expression. We are a global family living out our faith in local communities.

... God’s revelation through Jesus Christ ...

But you said:



So your religion is "God's revelation through a figment of the imagination"?

That doesn't matter to some -- it's whatever the person wants to or chooses to believe even if it's not in accord with the establishment (the church) they associate with.

 

[YoursTrue]

From The Anglican Church in North America

Anglicanism is a worldwide body of Christians responding to God’s revelation through Jesus Christ. Anglicanism brings together the authority of the Bible, the historic faith, and the beauty of structured prayer. It is rooted in tradition, yet contemporary in practice. It is united in substance, yet diverse in expression. We are a global family living out our faith in local communities.

... God’s revelation through Jesus Christ ...

But you said:



So your religion is "God's revelation through a figment of the imagination"?

Some people prefer to express the idea that while their church professes a particular doctrine or set of doctrines, they as church members can believe or teach contrary to what their church says while professing to belong to that group.

 

[Soandso]

Probably your garden variety apocalyptic doomsayer/cult leader such as was common in that day and age, imo

 

[lukethethird]

From The Anglican Church in North America

Anglicanism is a worldwide body of Christians responding to God’s revelation through Jesus Christ. Anglicanism brings together the authority of the Bible, the historic faith, and the beauty of structured prayer. It is rooted in tradition, yet contemporary in practice. It is united in substance, yet diverse in expression. We are a global family living out our faith in local communities.

... God’s revelation through Jesus Christ ...

But you said:



So your religion is "God's revelation through a figment of the imagination"?

I could be wrong.

 

[metis]

That doesn't matter to some -- it's whatever the person wants to or chooses to believe even if it's not in accord with the establishment (the church) they associate with.

IMO, a church-- any church-- should not act like it's the Gestapo demanding that everyone walk lockstep with the church's teachings and not using their own brains.

 

[syo]

What do you really think about Jesus?

Please choose an option.

Modern Jesus is a hoax.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Modern Jesus is a hoax.

Agreed

 

[Alien826]

For those that are prepared to do a bit of reading, you might like this.

Westar Institute | The Jesus Seminar

he Jesus Seminar was organized in 1985 to renew the quest of the historical Jesus and to report the results of its research to the general public, rather than to a limited audience of specialists.

www.westarinstitute.org

The Jesus Seminar was set up in 1985 to review the writings about Jesus and attempt to find the "historical Jesus". There were initially 30 "scholars", later to be joined by over 200 others. "... the Scholars of the Jesus Seminar represent a wide array of Western religious traditions and academic institutions. They have been trained in the best universities in North America and Europe".

The following is a quote from the site.

• Jesus of Nazareth did not refer to himself as the Messiah, nor did he claim to be a divine being who descended to earth from heaven in order to die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. These are claims that some people in the early church made about Jesus, not claims he made about himself.
• At the heart of Jesus’ teaching and actions was a vision of a life under the reign of God (or, in the empire of God) in which God’s generosity and goodness is regarded as the model and measure of human life; everyone is accepted as a child of God and thus liberated both from the ethnocentric confines of traditional Judaism and from the secularizing servitude and meagerness of their lives under the rule of the empire of Rome.
• Jesus did not hold an apocalyptic view of the reign (or kingdom) of God—that by direct intervention God was about to bring history to an end and bring a new, perfect order of life into being. Rather, in Jesus’ teaching the reign of God is a vision of what life in this world could be, not a vision of life in a future world that would soon be brought into being by a miraculous act of god.

How they went about it and more details about their findings can be found on the site.

 

[lukethethird]

I feel like he was probably something like the Trump of his era. Or Bin Laden. Someone who inspires riots while claiming to be a holy savior.

That never really occurred to me before but that could very well have been the case, or maybe more of a Pat Robertson or Earnest Angely, thick toupée and all.

 

[Palehorse]

Jesus was a great.great .great.great..grandpa to some people....that was falsely arrested tortured ..crucified and killed by jews....that's who Jesus was....dah

 

[metis]

Jesus was a great.great .great.great..grandpa to some people....that was falsely arrested tortured ..crucified and killed by jews....that's who Jesus was....dah

He was killed by the Romans, as crucifixion was a Roman technique of execution, thus not Jewish, dah.

 

[pearl]

How they went about it and more details about their findings can be found on the site.

I remember that, but ultimately not much creditability, voting with colored stones. But there is credible scholarship who pretty much agree with the difficulty presented in an historical quest for Jesus. I still think Rudolph Bultmann nailed it.
The historical man named 'Jesus' was an eschatological Jewish prophet whose original disciples(A.D. 30's) knew him only as such, and whom the post-apostolic (i.e. non-apostolic) Hellenistic church (late first century A.D.) deified as the Son of God: "Jesus proclaimed the Kingdom of God...,...the kerygma of the Hellenistic church proclaimed Jesus as the crucified and risen Christ"

 

[Psalm23]

Jesus is Messiah as well as God incarnate.

I agree with you.

 

[YoursTrue]

@metis - It doesn't sound too cohesive to me if some are members of a church that bases its core beliefs ostensibly on the Bible and has people within it teaching that Jesus was probably not seen by many rising to heaven, or that he did not raise dead persons as if these were made up stories.

 

[YoursTrue]

He was killed by the Romans, as crucifixion was a Roman technique of execution, thus not Jewish, dah.

Interestingly enough I was thinking about that today. Do you believe Jesus was free of sin, wasn't he? Let's start there.