Who was jesus ?

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I wonder sometimes if the "kingdom of God" is not one and the same as the will of God.......Your kingdom Come....Your Will be done....Jesus said except ye be born again you cannot see the kingdom of God and in another place....have your conscience cleansed from dead works to serve a living God. So you can be born again or as sometime translated born from above.

 

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the translators who use the expression 'possessed me' come from the very late latin language.
In Hebrew the word is qa‧na′ni in Greek it is e′kti‧sen′ and the earlier Syriac Pe****ta manuscript puts this expression as, “created me”

If you compare it to how the hebrew word is used at Genesis 14:19 it says;
Then he blessed him and said: “Blessed be A′bram of the Most High God,
qa‧na′ni of heaven and earth

You can see in the above verse that possessor or creator could both be used because God both 'created' and 'possessed' the heaven and earth for the reason that he was their maker.


But neither would indicate that God himself is the heaven and earth.

But either way he was talking about wisdom and truth.

 

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How can you do Gods will, except that you first are born again?

being born again is linked to entering heaven...it has nothing to do with how we live our life or how we worship God. Someone who is not born again can worship God and we know that because never in Isreals history were any Isrealites told that they needed to be born again to participate in worship.

 

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But either way he was talking about wisdom and truth.

well its a bit more significant then that. While it does speak of wisdom, you have to remember that jesus himself was called the 'word'....and the word of God is wisdom.

So the beginning of God expressing his wisdom was when he created his 'only begotten son' Jesus.

 

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being born again is linked to entering heaven...it has nothing to do with how we live our life or how we worship God. Someone who is not born again can worship God and we know that because never in Isreals history were any Isrealites told that they needed to be born again to participate in worship.

It has everything to do with doing the will of God. Those that are in the flesh CAN NOT please God.

 

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well its a bit more significant then that. While it does speak of wisdom, you have to remember that jesus himself was called the 'word'....and the word of God is wisdom.

So the beginning of God expressing his wisdom was when he created his 'only begotten son' Jesus.

Jesus was born of Promise this is what makes him the SON.

 

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It has everything to do with doing the will of God. Those that are in the flesh CAN NOT please God.

God created humans in the flesh and it was very pleasing to him and it was part of his purpose.

The Scriptures tell us that the earth will be full of righteous people all worshiping God, living as humans on earth in the flesh.

 

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Jesus was born of Promise this is what makes him the SON.

As the promised Messiah, yes. But his life did not begin in the womb of Mary...he said that he had been in existence since 'before Abraham'

John 8:56 Abraham YOUR father rejoiced greatly in the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to hurl [them] at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.

Jesus saw Abraham because he was alive in the heavens with God long before he was born as a human.

 

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It has everything to do with doing the will of God. Those that are in the flesh CAN NOT please God.

Why then are we told to put on the "New Man"?

 

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Why then are we told to put on the "New Man"?

the new man or 'new personality' is what we do when we strive to live in accord with Jesus personality. Jesus was kind, we must be kind. If our old way of life was to be harsh, we need to change that and start being kind.

we need to show love to our neighbor. We do this by loving acts toward others. If we used to get angry at people, yell at people, curse others or fight with our neighbors, we need to start showing them love by doing good to them as Jesus did.

so putting on the new 'man' means to rid ourselves of our bad tendencies and aspire to live like Christ and be like Christ.

 

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As the promised Messiah, yes. But his life did not begin in the womb of Mary...he said that he had been in existence since 'before Abraham'

John 8:56 Abraham YOUR father rejoiced greatly in the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to hurl [them] at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.

Jesus saw Abraham because he was alive in the heavens with God long before he was born as a human.

Yes this is true because the "I AM" Is God Himself.

 

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God created humans in the flesh and it was very pleasing to him and it was part of his purpose.

The Scriptures tell us that the earth will be full of righteous people all worshiping God, living as humans on earth in the flesh.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God 9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwell in You. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, He is none of his.

 

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Yes this is true because the "I AM" Is God Himself.

there is quite a bit of debate in how the KJV has translated this verse. Some of the earliest manuscripts do not translate it as 'I AM' to mean he is God Almighty.

Here are some examples of how the original language manuscripts of these early centuries are translated:

Fourth/Fifth “before Abraham was, I have been” Syriac

Fifth Century “before ever Abraham came to be, I was” Curetonian Syriac

Fifth Century “before Abraham existed, I was” Syriac Pe****ta—Edition:

Fifth Century “before Abraham came to be, I was” Georgian—Edition:

Sixth Century “before Abraham was born, I was” Ethiopic—Edition:

The KJV is a very recent translate of Jeromes Vulgate which is not even in the original languge of Greek...its a latin translation.

The other problem is that the expression at Exodus 3:14 ᾿Εγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν (E‧go′ ei‧mi ho on), which means “I am The Being,” or, “I am The Existing One” is different from the expression in Joh 8:58.

 

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the new man or 'new personality' is what we do when we strive to live in accord with Jesus personality. Jesus was kind, we must be kind. If our old way of life was to be harsh, we need to change that and start being kind.

we need to show love to our neighbor. We do this by loving acts toward others. If we used to get angry at people, yell at people, curse others or fight with our neighbors, we need to start showing them love by doing good to them as Jesus did.

so putting on the new 'man' means to rid ourselves of our bad tendencies and aspire to live like Christ and be like Christ.

You can not do this unless you are Born of The spirit.

 

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there is quite a bit of debate in how the KJV has translated this verse. Some of the earliest manuscripts do not translate it as 'I AM' to mean he is God Almighty.

Here are some examples of how the original language manuscripts of these early centuries are translated:

Fourth/Fifth “before Abraham was, I have been” Syriac

Fifth Century “before ever Abraham came to be, I was” Curetonian Syriac

Fifth Century “before Abraham existed, I was” Syriac Pe****ta—Edition:

Fifth Century “before Abraham came to be, I was” Georgian—Edition:

Sixth Century “before Abraham was born, I was” Ethiopic—Edition:

The KJV is a very recent translate of Jeromes Vulgate which is not even in the original languge of Greek...its a latin translation.

The other problem is that the expression at Exodus 3:14 ᾿Εγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν (E‧go′ ei‧mi ho on), which means “I am The Being,” or, “I am The Existing One” is different from the expression in Joh 8:58.

The Jews new what he was saying why do you think they were going to stone Him.

 

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Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God 9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwell in You. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, He is none of his.

you should always compare a few tranlsations of the bible to get an understanding of any verse.

So those who are in harmony with the flesh cannot please God. NWT

Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God TNIV

That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. NLT

Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God NIV-UK

Those who are controlled by their sinful nature can't please God. NIRV


It would be unreasonable to interpret this scritpure as meaning God doesn not like people in the flesh or we cannot please God while we are in fleshly bodies. That is not what Paul is explaining. The apostles spoke of 'flesh' as mening the 'works of the flesh' which are in opposition to the 'works of the spirit'

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, 20 idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, 21 envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning YOU, the same way as I did forewarn YOU, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom

Notice that the 'works of flesh' are against the laws of God. But now look at the works of the flesh which are in harmony with the spirit:
22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

the 'flesh' we must impaled has to do with 'passion and desire'...not our physical fleshly body
24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus impaled the flesh together with its passions and desires.

and now look at how a person of flesh can live according to the spirit: 25 If we are living by spirit, let us go on walking orderly also by spirit. 26 Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.

So you see, the 'flesh' paul is speaking about in Romans is the imperfect behaviors which are against Gods holiness. The lying, strife, fighting, bitterness, fornications, adulteries....all these acts which God condemns are the things that make us unclean.

 

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You can not do this unless you are Born of The spirit.

only God can make someone be 'born again'.... if he has chosen someone to be 'born again' it will only happen to them after they have died because only when the physical body dies can it be 'born again' into a spiritual body.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,...23 For YOU have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible [reproductive] seed, through the word of [the] living and enduring God.

Notice vs 3 says its a 'resurrection from the dead'

this means that when a person dies, they will be brought up from the condition of 'death' into a new spirit body by a new birth. You cannot be born again unless you first die because it is a resurrection 'from the dead'

 

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only God can make someone be 'born again'.... if he has chosen someone to be 'born again' it will only happen to them after they have died because only when the physical body dies can it be 'born again' into a spiritual body.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,...23 For YOU have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible [reproductive] seed, through the word of [the] living and enduring God.

Notice vs 3 says its a 'resurrection from the dead'

this means that when a person dies, they will be brought up from the condition of 'death' into a new spirit body by a new birth. You cannot be born again unless you first die because it is a resurrection 'from the dead'

I know the Flesh Means the sinful nature and the only way to change this is through the faith. To be born of the spirit (born again)
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. 2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and Death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin condemed sin in the flesh. ( by his stripes we are healed)

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus
Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefor we are buried with him in by baptism into death: ( as you said we must die first) That like as Christ was raised up from the dead ( the resurrection) by the Glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

He spoke of the present. To die and be made the New Man.

Are you a CHRISTIAN and you do not understand these things?

 

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I know the Flesh Means the sinful nature and the only way to change this is through the faith. To be born of the spirit (born again)
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. 2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and Death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin condemed sin in the flesh. ( by his stripes we are healed)

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus
Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefor we are buried with him in by baptism into death: ( as you said we must die first) That like as Christ was raised up from the dead ( the resurrection) by the Glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

He spoke of the present. To die and be made the New Man.

Are you a CHRISTIAN and you do not understand these things?

have you literally died? I dont think so.

It is a 'figurative' death. Not a literal death. Paul didnt die literally, nor did anyone back then who was baptized. It is only a figurative death because they were formerly practicers of sin, but by their faith in Jesus, they have chosen to obey God from the heart.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit

Walk Not After Flesh, means that they no longer practice sin while they are living. They have died to their former course of conduct only. And if you read a little further, it makes it even more clear what Paul is speaking about:
Vs 12 So, then, brothers, we are under obligation, not to the flesh to live in accord with the flesh; 13 for if YOU live in accord with the flesh YOU are sure to die; but if YOU put the practices of the body to death by the spirit, YOU will live.

the practices of sin is what is put to death. former sinners who put faith in Jesus change their course of life so that they stop living in sin and start living in accord with Gods holy spirit and his righteousness.

 

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have you literally died? I dont think so.

It is a 'figurative' death. Not a literal death. Paul didnt die literally, nor did anyone back then who was baptized. It is only a figurative death because they were formerly practicers of sin, but by their faith in Jesus, they have chosen to obey God from the heart.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit

Walk Not After Flesh, means that they no longer practice sin while they are living. They have died to their former course of conduct only. And if you read a little further, it makes it even more clear what Paul is speaking about:
Vs 12 So, then, brothers, we are under obligation, not to the flesh to live in accord with the flesh; 13 for if YOU live in accord with the flesh YOU are sure to die; but if YOU put the practices of the body to death by the spirit, YOU will live.

the practices of sin is what is put to death. former sinners who put faith in Jesus change their course of life so that they stop living in sin and start living in accord with Gods holy spirit and his righteousness.

This is the New Birth. To be born of the spirit. Its not figurative. Conversion is a very real thing. Whithout the shedding of blood ( the sprinkling) our conscience cannot be cleansed from dead works.