Who was the greatest Christian leader of the 20th Century?

[Joe_Stocks]

HI lilithu,

He wanted social JUSTICE, as do I.

It looks like he wanted 'justice' in the form a giant government program that would give money to blacks. If justice is a goverment program directed a small segment of our society, then I want no part of justice. And that doesn't seem to be justice at all, but favoritism.

 

[lilithu]

It looks like he wanted 'justice' in the form a giant government program that would give money to blacks. If justice is a goverment program directed a small segment of our society, then I want no part of justice. And that doesn't seem to be justice at all, but favoritism.

When Mother Theresa worked in the streets of Calcutta, she offered help specifically to the poor, not to the middle class, not to the rich. And yet no one accuses her of favoring one group over another.

Justice demands that you help those most in need. And if you want no part of it, that's your perogative.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi lilithu,

When Mother Theresa worked in the streets of Calcutta, she offered help specifically to the poor, not to the middle class, not to the rich. And yet no one accuses her of favoring one group over another.

If Mother Theresa was wanting to help the poor via the enormous coercive power of the federal government, then you would have a point. But she didn't. The same cannot be said for Dr. King.

 

[lilithu]

It looks like he wanted 'justice' in the form a giant government program that would give money to blacks. If justice is a goverment program directed a small segment of our society, then I want no part of justice.

If Mother Theresa was wanting to help the poor via the enormous coercive power of the federal government, then you would have a point. But she didn't. The same cannot be said for Dr. King.

Joe, could you please point out for me, where amongst Dr. King's numerous speeches and writings did he say "I want the federal government to give money to black people and no one else."

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi lilithu,

Well, Dr King has said:

No amount of gold could provide adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in American down through the centuries. Not all the wealth of this affluent society could meet the bill. Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages.

We are making demands that will cost the nation something. You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars.

That would be from the book I May Not Get There With You: The True Martin Luther King Jr. (pages 21 and 88 respectively) by Michael Eric Dyson.

 

[lilithu]

Well, Dr King has said:

That would be from the book I May Not Get There With You: The True Martin Luther King Jr. (pages 21 and 88 respectively) by Michael Eric Dyson.

Yeah, I see nothing wrong with those statements. And I still don't see how that shows that King only cared about black people. I agree with those statements and I don't just care about black people. I care about JUSTICE.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi lilithu,

Yeah, I see nothing wrong with those statements. And I still don't see how that shows that King only cared about black people. I agree with those statements and I don't just care about black people. I care about JUSTICE.

Giant federal programs that confiscate people's hard earned money is justice? I call it a waste. And it goes to the issue of equality. A giant government program specifically designed to give government handouts to a small segment of society flouts the very idea of equality. It's a power grab, if that actually happened we wouldn't see the end of people bellying up to the federal government waiting to feed off the trough claiming that they care about JUSTICE.

 

[Mathematician]

Fred Phelps has 2 votes? Whatupwithdat?

 

[lilithu]

Giant federal programs that confiscate people's hard earned money is justice?...

Joe, this thread is about who is the greatest Christian leader of the 20th century. Obviously, you don't think that it's King. I do. We'll just leave it at that.

 

[Comprehend]

And why?

I chose Pope John Paul II because his work and message was tremendous but specifically his work to bring down communism which allowed literally millions of people the freedom to have a choice in religion at all.

A central theme to Christianity is liberty and John Paul II did a great deal of work to increase the liberty on this planet.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Comprehend,

I chose Pope John Paul II because his work and message was tremendous but specifically his work to bring down communism which allowed literally millions of people the freedom to have a choice in religion at all.

A central theme to Christianity is liberty and John Paul II did a great deal of work to increase the liberty on this planet.

I completely agree.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

For me it was a tough choice between JPII and MLK Jr. I picked MLK Jr. ultimately though.

 

[Gunny]

Mother Theresa and MLK. Since we can only vote once I picked King.

Kind of frightening people voted for Fred Phelps.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

Pope John-Paul II, did wonders for the ecumenical movement

 

[Mathematician]

HI lilithu,



It looks like he wanted 'justice' in the form a giant government program that would give money to blacks. If justice is a goverment program directed a small segment of our society, then I want no part of justice. And that doesn't seem to be justice at all, but favoritism.

So a government that oppressed economic standards for ethnic minorities for hundreds of years should just throw up its hands and say that NOW it's going to play fair when the majority of AA and Hispanics are disenfranchised economically...?

 

[Sunstone]

Fred's my man. Fred Phelps, that is. If he cannot provoke a radical stampede of decent Christians into a more Jesus like Christianity, then no one can.

 

[earlwooters]

Why did you list the most corrupt, fake leaders of their day? Everyone on the list is either money hungry or power crazy.

 

[Darkness]

I have to say Martin Luther King Jr.. I like some of what Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa did, but they are responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands (perhaps millions), with their idiotic-moronic-stupid message of "no birth-control." Thank God local priests and nuns disregard the edicts of Rome and hand out condoms.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

John Paul II because of his role in bringing down the Soviet Union, which begs the question of what's worse; a godless empire that murdered millions of people or a decaying state of institutional racism? I'll go with the mass murder as being worse.

 

[D-MITCH777]

I voted for MLK jr