moorea944
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Great post, thank you!! Your absolutely right. It was God and the angels in the beginning. Scripture also tells us that the angels are God's fingers when it comes to His work here on earth.
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Who was the "Us" at Gen 1:26?
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Great post, thank you!! Your absolutely right. It was God and the angels in the beginning. Scripture also tells us that the angels are God's fingers when it comes to His work here on earth.
syo
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The Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. According to Christianity that accepts the Trinity.
Etritonakin
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Actually...... it might technically be true that God essentially -willingly -has a multiple personality ORDER.
If God is essentially everything -and also created us, then God created other personalities by logically separating part of himself as other selves -self-replicating, to a degree -and giving them independent decision-making power.
[I was wondering about the relationship between the Father and the Word -why the Father is necessarily in authority and the Word who became Christ (actually called "the firstborn of many brethren" in scripture) obeys his will before his own (Nevertheless, if it be thy will...). Perhaps the Word was the first/initial self-replication/reproduction of the Father. Just presently a consideration, though.]
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syo
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Do you have a better theory?
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syo
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The angels are servants. They don't have free will, they are not the image of God, and Jesus wasn't an angel. Where did you get all these things?
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I read some christian orthodox sites about the angels. According to them, angels have free will and they are images of God. you are right. but jesus isn't an angel.
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Ebionite
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According to the Hebrew text the name was pronounced and it was meant to be pronounced in certain circumstances.
And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,
YHWH bless thee, and keep thee:
Numbers 6:22-24
While the Yahwish and Elohist traditions were part of the documentary hypothesis, they're still useful in communicating the reason why the name of YHWH was hidden.
Ebionite
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The original word was eysh, which can represent a man or a male of another species.
Ebionite
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A good example of Wikipedia bias if their history of acting as gatekeepers for the global warming/climate change crowd. Back in the day, wikipedia was proven to be associated with wikileaks via wikia, although Jimmy denied this.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
examples?
Ebionite
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Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male[איש] and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male[איש] and his female.
Genesis 7:2
syo
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I know. I edited my post.
cataway
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lostwanderingsoul
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Sorry but I do not see anything that says angels are God's children. Can you quote a verse that says this. Yes, angels were created by God but if a human carves a wooden puppet that looks like a human , that puppet is not a human and is not the carvers child. The child of a human is a human. The child of a god is a god. angels are not gods.
No, back in the early days of the bible it was still well-known that there were lots of gods. For example:
Exodus 15:11 Who is like thee, O Lord, among the gods?
Exodus 20:1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Numbers 33:4 upon their gods also the Lord executed judgments.
Judges 11:23-24 So the Lord, the God of Israel, dispossessed the Amorites from before his people Israel; and are you to take possession of them? 24 Will you not possess what Chemosh your god gives you to possess? And all that the Lord our God has dispossessed before us, we will possess.
Psalms 82:1 God has taken his place in the divine council; / in the midst of the gods he holds judgment.
Psalms 95:3 For the Lord is a great god, / and a great King above all gods.
Exodus 20:1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Numbers 33:4 upon their gods also the Lord executed judgments.
Judges 11:23-24 So the Lord, the God of Israel, dispossessed the Amorites from before his people Israel; and are you to take possession of them? 24 Will you not possess what Chemosh your god gives you to possess? And all that the Lord our God has dispossessed before us, we will possess.
Psalms 82:1 God has taken his place in the divine council; / in the midst of the gods he holds judgment.
Psalms 95:3 For the Lord is a great god, / and a great King above all gods.
And that's just a sampling.
There's also the question of just who the 'sons of God' are; are they just the nephilim, or does the word refer to the courtiers at God Central in general?
The idea that there are no other gods appears around the time of the Babylonian captivity.
The idea that there's one God who exists as a Trinity first appears in the 4th century CE.
What next?
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sojourner
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Nope. Not according to Genesis. Read it again. No mention of Jesus.
whirlingmerc
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It was a plural of majesty, like the royal 'we' used by English monarchs
Perhaps it was this group of gods:
God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods.
Psalms 82:1
I said, "You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you shall die like men, And fall like one of the rulers."
Psalms 82:6-7