Who will get to heaven?

[Muffled]

Seems to me Heaven is obvious because Heaven is where we find the resurrected ascended Jesus - Hebrew 9:24.
The ascended Jesus ascended into Heaven itself to appear in the presence of his God.
Where is God located but in Heaven as per 1 Kings 8:39,45,49

I believe we see a vision of Jesus in Heaven. There is no substance in Heaven and Jesus is substantive. The Bible does not say that He went there.

 

[JJ50]

I believe we see a vision of Jesus in Heaven. There is no substance in Heaven and Jesus is substantive. The Bible does not say that He went there.

Did he go to hell instead?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why do you believe that Jesus is going to return?
I do not find any verses in the NT wherein Jesus promised to return to this world. I fact, I find verses where Jesus said He was not coming back.
Jesus said that He had finished the work that God gave Him to do and He was no more in the world and He was going to the Father. This indicates that Jesus never planned to return (I am no more in the world) and there was no need to return since He finished the work God gave Him to do.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Then in the next chapter you have the two verses below. These two verses completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world, or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to be IN this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.”
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
So the New Testament is either inaccurate or Jesus is not coming back to this world to rule it.

Thank you for your reply.
I'm surprised you did Not post John 14:19 A, and 1 Timothy 6:16.
Doesn't Matthew 24:37, 42, 44 talk about Jesus' returning__________
So, Jesus ' return ' would Not be a physical return. No returning in a fleshly body.
Jesus has a coming ' glory ' time of Matthew 25:31; Matthew 16:27; Matthew 13:49 ( angels are invisible ).
How invisible Jesus will eliminate evil is by removing all who are bent on practicing evil. - Isaiah 11:3-4
Eliminate evil by his ' executional words ' to rid the Earth of wickedness - Psalms 92:7
Any thoughts about Jesus' words found at Luke 19:11-15; Mark 13:34-37________________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe we see a vision of Jesus in Heaven. There is no substance in Heaven and Jesus is substantive. The Bible does not say that He went there.

Huh? Where is the resurrected Jesus found and with who according to Hebrews 9:24_____________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Did he go to hell instead?

Can you think of anyone righteous that did go to hell ____________
According to Acts of the Apostles 2:27 the day righteous Jesus died he went to hell ( biblical hell )
There is also a religious-myth hell that is being taught as being Scripture but is Not Scripture.
Jesus and the OT both teach sleep in death -> Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14.
I find that means that Jesus believed he would be in a sleep-like state while dead.
Unconscious in death until his God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell.
After being resurrected out of hell ( hell being the temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead )
If the Bible's hell was permanent then Jesus would still be in hell / grave.
Since God resurrected dead Jesus back into his pre-human heavenly spirit body then Jesus was invisible.
That is the reason Jesus used different materialized bodies to appear to people after he was resurrected.
Then, when the resurrected Jesus ascended to heaven he was in his spirit body - Hebrews 9:24.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I reckon why Jesus died he stayed dead, there is no verifiable evidence to suggest otherwise, the Bible is not evidence.

If you do Not think of the Bible as evidence then I think you also do Not think of Bible people as evidence.
To me the international spreading about the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is evidence.
Just as Jesus said it would globally be done, it is now at the final phase of Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8.
Just as No one has been able to get rid of the Bible, No one has been able to get rid of Bible people.
The world news today shows evidence Satan was slammed down out of heaven just as written at Revelation 12:12,9
Sinner Satan is madder and madder influencing the world scene as evidenced at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
However, Satan can Not stop the 'constant feature' ( the proclaiming about God's kingdom government which will be in the hands of Christ Jesus for 1,000 years.)
Sure mankind can be saying, " Peace and Security..." (but that is Not evidence of real peace) because only Jesus, as Prince of Peace, can usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If you love God with all your heart, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself right here on earth, the afterlife will take care of itself.

 

[1213]

Who will get to heaven?

If heaven is same as eternal life, then my answer is:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46


For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If heaven is same as eternal life, then my answer is:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46


For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

I've never understood how Christians, especially Protestants, can forcefit this with their doctrine of salvation by faith. Jesus clearly teaches here that it is our works which divides the sheep from the goats.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If you read the last line you will see it says they will inherit "paradise". Can you be completely sure that paradise means the same as heaven> The Bible is the same way. It says people may enter God's kingdom but why can't God be king of the earth? I continue to say there is nothing in Bible or Quran that actually says HEAVEN and that people will go there after death.

If paradise means the same as heaven, then I would wonder why Jesus did Not say heaven at Luke 23:43.
After all, Jesus did Not go to heaven the day he died. Jesus went to the grave - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Anyone who died 'before' Jesus died did Not ascend as written at John 3:13.
This is also why Acts of the Apostles 2:34 informs us that even King David did Not ascend.
Also, God's 'kingdom' of Daniel 2:44 is Not another word for heaven but for government.
Jesus is king (president) of God's kingdom government for 1,000 years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
Sure, God could be king of the earth, but God gave that job (that position) to Jesus for a thousand years.

I'm wondering what your thoughts are about 1 Corinthians 15:48-50 because both 'earthly and heavenly' are mentioned.
Also, I notice both 'celestial and terrestrial' are mentioned at 1 Corinthians 15:40.
Then, I find both 'natural and spiritual' bodies are mentioned at 1 Corinthians 15:44

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If heaven is same as eternal life, then my answer is:
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

I find Adam was offered eternal life, Not in Heaven but right here on a beautiful paradisical earth.
The living righteous people of Matthew 25:37 into eternal life on earth.
Those figurative humble ' sheep ' are found alive on earth and can remain alive on earth.
They are Not Jesus ' brothers ' of Matthew 25:40.
The 'sheep' will be here on earth to see the start of Jesus' calendar Day One of his 1,000-year reign over earth.
So, No, heaven is Not the only 'eternal life ' offered but 'everlasting life on earth' is also offered.
Offered to mankind as originally offered to Adam and Eve before their downfall.
Before Jesus' died the only hope was earthly, an earthly resurrection for them - John 3:13; Acts 2:34.

At the soon coming time of Matthew 25:31-33 eternal life on earth is offered to those figurative humble 'sheep'.
At this ' time of separation' eternal death is for the wicked - Psalms 92:7 - meaning destroyed forever.
The haughty ' goats ' find their eternal punishment is eternal death - 2 Thessalonians 1:9 - aka destruction.

 

[1213]

I've never understood how Christians, especially Protestants, can forcefit this with their doctrine of salvation by faith. Jesus clearly teaches here that it is our works which divides the sheep from the goats.

It depends on what we mean with “salvation”. I have understood it means that sins are forgiven and person is saved from the judgment that would come because of sin. Forgiveness that is freely offered gives a new start, but if person after that goes back to sin, the forgiveness of earlier sins is not useful anymore, because there is new sin. that is why Jesus told that people should repent and sin no more after forgiveness.

And I think it is important to understand also that even though works tell about person, they are not the reason for salvation, or eternal life. Works are only a sign of the state of mind person has. If person has righteous mind, he produces righteous "fruits" and righteous person can have eternal life as a gift. And I believe that is because righteous person understands how to live well.

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It depends on what we mean with “salvation”. I have understood it means that sins are forgiven and person is saved from the judgment that would come because of sin. Forgiveness that is freely offered gives a new start, but if person after that goes back to sin, the forgiveness of earlier sins is not useful anymore, because there is new sin. that is why Jesus told that people should repent and sin no more after forgiveness.

And I think it is important to understand also that even though works tell about person, they are not the reason for salvation, or eternal life. Works are only a sign of the state of mind person has. If person has righteous mind, he produces righteous "fruits" and righteous person can have eternal life as a gift. And I believe that is because righteous person understands how to live well.
1 John and James are two other places where you will find verses heavy on works. The Christian scriptures are simply contradictory.
He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10