Who will win France's election

[Flankerl]

What you doubt is completely irrelevant to fact

The ira were/are made entirely of Catholics, who's aim was/is to kill Protestants.

Of course they hid behind the word nationalism, you need to learn something about Irish history and its relationship with religion.

So where is the approval of the Church? Kinda important if you run a Catholic Organisation.

Which a Brit is going to explain to me? Please humour me more.

 

[ChristineM]

So where is the approval of the Church? Kinda important if you run a Catholic Organisation.

Which a Brit is going to explain to me? Please humour me more.

You are the one introducing the church, i said catholic, not church, straw men are a pathetic argument

The troubles in northern Ireland were primarily Catholic v Protestant. Church had little to do with it but religion did although Church leaders were quick to choose sides.

 

[metis]

The ira were/are made entirely of Catholics, who's aim was/is to kill Protestants.

Absolutely false. The Provisional wing of the IRA was indeed using guerilla-type tactics, but not the IRA as a whole. Also, the RCC and some of the Protestant groups did try to stop the bloodshed. And you should also recall that the British soldiers often over-reacted, thus sometimes causing bad situations to get worse.

Of course they hid behind the word nationalism, you need to learn something about Irish history and its relationship with religion.

It was mainly nationalism that was the prime culprit (see above), and this is a centuries old conflict. Religion made it easier to identify whom was on which side of "the Troubles", and theology had literally nothing directly to do with it. Indirectly, yes.

 

[metis]

Knowing how French culture tends to operate, the results of the election are not at all surprising. And the Russian-document dump backfired, which I felt was quite predictable. I hate to stereotype any nationality, but the French are pretty much "up" on national and international events, much more so than the average American.

Now, whether Marcon will be a good leader or not is another question, especially since his party is really quite an upstart one that pretty much came out of nowhere from the last election.

 

[ChristineM]

Absolutely false. The Provisional wing of the IRA was indeed using guerilla-type tactics, but not the IRA as a whole. Also, the RCC and some of the Protestant groups did try to stop the bloodshed. And you should also recall that the British soldiers often over-reacted, thus sometimes causing bad situations to get worse.
It was mainly nationalism that was the prime culprit (see above), and this is a centuries old conflict. Religion made it easier to identify whom was on which side of "the Troubles", and theology had literally nothing directly to do with it. Indirectly, yes.

Not false, the ira were/are composed of catholics, and largely funded by American Catholic donation via noraid

Of course the brits over reacted to children being blown up

Irish nationalism is was decided on religious ground. And yes the roots stem back to long before the troubles.

 

[ChristineM]

Knowing how French culture tends to operate, the results of the election are not at all surprising. And the Russian-document dump backfired, which I felt was quite predictable. I hate to stereotype any nationality, but the French are pretty much "up" on national and international events, much more so than the average American.

Now, whether Marcon will be a good leader or not is another question, especially since his party is really quite an upstart one that pretty much came out of nowhere from the last election.

Living here i pretty much agree with one note, en marche was founded just a year ago, last April

He's young and inexperienced so he's going to need advice from more mature politicians, hope he accepts it.

In any event, better than the opposition.

 

[metis]

Irish nationalism is was decided on religious ground. And yes the roots stem back to long before the troubles.

The main issue historically was and is not religion but nationality, largely caused by the English giving land to Scots and some Welsh and English in what would later become "Northern Ireland". Therefore, the Irish had the northern segment of their island taken away and given to others, whereas they became the minority.

To make matters worse, unemployment and underemployment became a major issue later because the leaders in Northern Ireland, besides being controlled from London, catered to their own, thus discriminating heavily against the Irish. On applications, they typically asked what one's religion and denomination was, not that religion was important in the issue but was done to tell whether one was Irish or Scottish/Welsh/English, since very few with the latter group were Catholic.

Here: The Troubles - Wikipedia

 

[ChristineM]

The main issue historically was and is not religion but nationality, largely caused by the English giving land to Scots and some Welsh and English in what would later become "Northern Ireland". Therefore, the Irish had the northern segment of their island taken away and given to others, whereas they became the minority.

To make matters worse, unemployment and underemployment became a major issue later because the leaders in Northern Ireland, besides being controlled from London, catered to their own, thus discriminating heavily against the Irish. On applications, they typically asked what one's religion and denomination was, not that religion was important in the issue but was done to tell whether one was Irish or Scottish/Welsh/English, since very few with the latter group were Catholic.

Here: The Troubles - Wikipedia

And those displaced irish were Catholic

Thus discriminating against the poor working class's who were predominantly Catholic

Thanks for the link but in studied it about 2000 edits ago before political correctness took hold.


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