Who's Jesus?

[ERLOS]

It is great you have Faith as a Catholic. I see the Christ, the Holy Spirit does indeed show the way. I see the Holy Spirit is not confined to one flesh body dated 2000 years ago. How else can Jesus be the First and the Last, the alpha and omega when the flesh amounts to nothing.

Peace be upon you and all.

The Christ was manifest in a fleshy body 2000 years ago. A carpenter without worldly guile, Jesus taught in the temples, confounding the elders. He healed the sick and preached in words that still speak as clearly as they did then.

He preached in parables that could not in later years be twisted and taken out of context. And many things he said were mysterious, food for meditation by the simplest to the wisest of people for centuries of years.

Then they killed him, of course. They didn't want to know. But he rose from the grave. He maninfested in a spiritual body of flesh, until he allowed that body to be absorbed back into the Spiritual from whence he had come.

He did come to show lots of things But that's not all he came to do.

And if youre concluding that means the Holy Spirit was confined to one flesh body 2000 yrs ago, I'm not sure where you're getting that from?

Peace, brother ...

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[Danny1988]

I see such hell based Love is not of Christ, it may be of mans own imagining.

God is forgiving Love.

Peace and Love to all.

God is not only love, He hates sinners so much that He castes them into hell to burn forever. So we need to keep that fact in mind, as much as He loves He also hates

 

[ERLOS]

God is not only love, He hates sinners so much that He castes them into hell to burn forever. So we need to keep that fact in mind, as much as He loves He also hates

Sounds like a lot of hating going on ...

 

[ERLOS]

No wonder so many people are turned away from trying to seek God by such hate filled supposedly Christian teachings

 

[Danny1988]

Sounds like a lot of hating going on ...

Yes Sir, God must hate evil acts if He is a righteous God. He loves good and hates evil, and I do to and I'm just a forgiven sinner so imagine how much more a perfectly righteous, just and Holy God does.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

God is not only love, He hates sinners so much that He castes them into hell to burn forever. So we need to keep that fact in mind, as much as He loves He also hates

I see no hate from God, I only see hate only as our lack of Love.

I see that this life is given to allow choice. It is not God that casts us into hell, it is us that choose to remain in hell, as to me hell is remoteness from God.

I see it as comparing light and darkness. Dark only exists because of the lack of light, darkness does not exist by itself. We get to know the quality of the sun by the attributes it gives, which in turn gives us life.

Likewise the Knowledge of God is knowledge of attributes, not essence. Thus we can become the attributes if we choose to Love God, or we can choose hell which is the lack of attributes.

Peace be with you always

 

[ERLOS]

I see no hate from God, I only see hate only as our lack of Love.

I see that this life is given to allow choice. It is not God that casts us into hell, it is us that choose to remain in hell, as to me hell is remoteness from God.

I see it as comparing light and darkness. Dark only exists because of the lack of light, darkness does not exist by itself. We get to know the quality of the sun by the attributes it gives, which in turn gives us life.

Likewise the Knowledge of God is knowledge of attributes, not essence. Thus we can become the attributes if we choose to Love God, or we can choose hell which is the lack of attributes.

Peace be with you always

You are the first person I've known to have said what I've always said: darkness is the lack of light!

The depth of a cave there is total darkness. One candle brings light and the light of 10million suns is still not the totality of light. The same analyses works for cold and heat: cold is the lack of heat.

Satan is the lack of God.

Well said.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And if youre concluding that means the Holy Spirit was confined to one flesh body 2000 yrs ago, I'm not sure where you're getting that from?

Exactly the opposite. I see Christ, the Holy Spirit is all the Messengers, Christ was also manifested in the flesh body of Muhammad. Christ was also the flesh of Moses, Christ was also the flesh of Abraham.

But it does not stop there, Christ came in all the flesh bodies of all Gods Messengers.

This is what makes Christ the First and the Last. The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. If you read the Koran, you will also see that Muhammad states this to be so.

It is the most logical scientific probability of how Christ is to return. The Holy Spirit manifested in another person, that person chosen by God in each age a Message is given. I beleive that is supported in and by scripture.

What a great day we live in, the day where Science will find that truth has one source.

Peace be upon you

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You are the first person I've known to have said what I've always said: darkness is the lack of light!

The depth of a cave there is total darkness. One candle brings light and the light of 10million suns is still not the totality of light. The same analyses works for cold and heat: cold is the lack of heat.

Satan is the lack of God.

Well said.

I say well done to you as we have only one God. A God that only our own selves can veil us from.

I can also say that none of what I say is my own thoughts, all I offer is from the Christ I beleive in, taken from all the worlds scriptures. The light and dark anology I first came upon, was in Baha'i Scriptures.

So they predated our thoughts and to me more than likely fed our thoughts.

Google is a friend in that regard.

Peace be upon you always.

 

[ERLOS]

I say well done to you as we have only one God. A God that only our own selves can veil us from.

I can also say that none of what I say is my own thoughts, all I offer is from the Christ I beleive in, taken from all the worlds scriptures. The light and dark anology I first came upon, was in Baha'i Scriptures.

So they predated our thoughts and to me more than likely fed our thoughts.

Google is a friend in that regard.

Peace be upon you always.

Oh. That's very interesting. Thank you

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Who, in their right mind, is going to make up a story about a rebellious Jewish peasant son of a carpenter

The bible loves it some underdog stories, though.

If you were going to make up a story, you wouldn't have your mythical hero undergoing execution as a Roman criminal....if you hoped to convert Romans to your creed. If you wanted him to appear sinless you wouldn't have him baptised for the remission of sins by John the Baptist (which is an act of submission to John). If you wanted him to be the authoritative hero, then why would you make him a disciple of someone else, namely John? Or his betrayal by Judas, suggesting that even some of his inner core disciples had second thoughts about him?

Kinda depends on your skill as a writer, though. Bad writers make bad stories.

Jesus Christ was the greatest man who ever lived.

Meh. I have higher standards.

Jesus (pbuh) was never crucified.

Is it just the crucifixion that bothers Islam, or the death? Because, I'm willing to concede it's possible he survived the crucifixion due to a lack of medical knowledge. John is the only one with a detail that makes it more workable, though, and I loathe John.

Jesus is God, He told us He created everything that exists.

Where?

He is coming back to judge the whole world

Why wasn't this done the first time? Did he forget?

When He returns He will cast all of those who don't believe in Him, into hell where they will live in the flames forever.

And you can see Jesus there as well. Jesus said people who call others fools will burn in hell. Multiple biblical authors, Jesus, Paul, and God all call people fools. Maybe (T)hey should've kept quiet?

So Jesus is God and anyone who doesn't believe in Him will be tormented in hell forever.

I know where Satan keeps the keys in his office. I'll be out in less than an hour.

His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.

So, he won't call himself Jesus or any other popular name of a God? Because we know lots of names. He'll be hard-pressed to pick a new one.

A carpenter without worldly guile

Honest question: can someone please show that Jesus was a carpenter? When does he "carpent" (LOL) at any point in the story?

He preached in parables that could not in later years be twisted and taken out of context.

A lot of parables show Jesus to be quite ignorant of how real life works, to be honest.

He hates sinners so much that He castes them into hell to burn forever

Didn't realize God was such a snowflake. Sad, really.

Humans have to put up with people we don't like all the time.

He loves good and hates evil

A mature person educates the ignorant and protects the innocent from the evil. The bible does not fill me with confidence it knows the difference between good and evil and how to deal with either intelligently.

I see it as comparing light and darkness. Dark only exists because of the lack of light, darkness does not exist by itself. We get to know the quality of the sun by the attributes it gives, which in turn gives us life.

And you can't see just how vast the universe is during the day. You have to wait for night.

Light may be good, but it's also blinding to the extent you'll never see all of reality.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And you can't see just how vast the universe is during the day. You have to wait for night.

Light may be good, but it's also blinding to the extent you'll never see all of reality.

Well done you have posted a thought on this biblical passage, many anologies can arise from this;

Isaiah 45:7-9 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

We are gifted life by God in a place that we can choose light over darkness. A place where we can understand it is the light that gives life.

We are in a place that needs a filter for the light. That is Gods Messengers.

Peace be with you always Kelly.

 

[ERLOS]

...A lot of parables show Jesus to be quite ignorant of how real life works, to be honest...

To be honest the words and mysteries and parables of Jesus have intrigued and engaged millions upon millions of people, from kings to beggars, for centuries of years. One third of the world population draw wisdom and comfort from them, and will continue to long after you and I are gone.

So, with respect, I will prefer his wisdom to yours?

 

[ERLOS]

... Honest question: can someone please show that Jesus was a carpenter? When does he "carpent" (LOL) at any point in the story?

Mark 6:3
Matthew 13:55

Carpenter

 

[SalixIncendium]

Simple question, simple answers?

Who's Jesus?

My drive-thru cashier.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Honest question: can someone please show that Jesus was a carpenter? When does he "carpent" (LOL) at any point in the story?

I would like to offer a thought on this. It is recorded that Jesus was a carpenter, it is obvious he earned his way in life. One can imagine upon giving His Message, that Jesus was no longer a practicing tradesperson, but a Messenger from God.

In recent times I have found the Story of the Bab can be seen as an example of this. The Bab was a merchant known for His Honesty and Virtue. Upon giving His Message, He no longer was a merchant, but a Messenger from God. His fate was the same fate Jesus Suffered, albeit it by firing squad.

Peace be with you and all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

A cult based Roman invention or a mythological figure parallel with other mythological figures of the time in light of the similarities that can be made with other stories at the time. Like that of Horus.

You givin the guy too much credit?

 

[Danny1988]

I see no hate from God, I only see hate only as our lack of Love.

I see that this life is given to allow choice. It is not God that casts us into hell, it is us that choose to remain in hell, as to me hell is remoteness from God.

I see it as comparing light and darkness. Dark only exists because of the lack of light, darkness does not exist by itself. We get to know the quality of the sun by the attributes it gives, which in turn gives us life.

Likewise the Knowledge of God is knowledge of attributes, not essence. Thus we can become the attributes if we choose to Love God, or we can choose hell which is the lack of attributes.

Peace be with you always

That's all very well to say, as long as we allow Gods Word to have the final authority in all things. God has told us everything we need to know about Him in His Word the Holy Bible.

Be careful not to trust in your own understanding, but live by every Word which proceeds from the moth of God. God has done everything necessary for our salvation, all we need to do is trust in the finished work of His Son. Jesus spoke more about the horrors of hell than He did about the joy of Heaven.

We have all been warned so there's no excuse for anyone to live a life of sin. God has offered us the greatest gift imaginable, all we need to do is believe in Him.

 

[Danny1988]

The bible loves it some underdog stories, though.


Kinda depends on your skill as a writer, though. Bad writers make bad stories.


Meh. I have higher standards.


Is it just the crucifixion that bothers Islam, or the death? Because, I'm willing to concede it's possible he survived the crucifixion due to a lack of medical knowledge. John is the only one with a detail that makes it more workable, though, and I loathe John.


Where?


Why wasn't this done the first time? Did he forget?


And you can see Jesus there as well. Jesus said people who call others fools will burn in hell. Multiple biblical authors, Jesus, Paul, and God all call people fools. Maybe (T)hey should've kept quiet?


I know where Satan keeps the keys in his office. I'll be out in less than an hour.


So, he won't call himself Jesus or any other popular name of a God? Because we know lots of names. He'll be hard-pressed to pick a new one.


Honest question: can someone please show that Jesus was a carpenter? When does he "carpent" (LOL) at any point in the story?


A lot of parables show Jesus to be quite ignorant of how real life works, to be honest.


Didn't realize God was such a snowflake. Sad, really.

Humans have to put up with people we don't like all the time.


A mature person educates the ignorant and protects the innocent from the evil. The bible does not fill me with confidence it knows the difference between good and evil and how to deal with either intelligently.


And you can't see just how vast the universe is during the day. You have to wait for night.

Light may be good, but it's also blinding to the extent you'll never see all of reality.

Jesus said the Word of God is foolishness to the reprobate.

We all need to pray that the Holy Spirit would give us understanding before we study Holy Scripture, you won't understand spiritual things using your fallen, sinful carnal mind. You must ask God to reveal the truth to you, otherwise the Word of God will sound foolish to you.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That's all very well to say, as long as we allow Gods Word to have the final authority in all things. God has told us everything we need to know about Him in His Word the Holy Bible.

Be careful not to trust in your own understanding, but live by every Word which proceeds from the moth of God. God has done everything necessary for our salvation, all we need to do is trust in the finished work of His Son. Jesus spoke more about the horrors of hell than He did about the joy of Heaven.

We have all been warned so there's no excuse for anyone to live a life of sin. God has offered us the greatest gift imaginable, all we need to do is believe in Him.

Thank you for the loving advice Danny, it will always be appreciated.

My understanding comes from all the Scriptures, I see Christ in them all. To live by every Word that comes from God, is thus very good advice, but I know that is broader then you were offering.

It may very well be that the current and popular interpretation of Biblical Scriptures by the many Christian Churches, may be what leads us to our own hell. It at least not an all embracing interpretation.

Personally 1844 holds great interest for me with Jesus the Christ and the 'End of an Age'.

Peace be upon you always Danny.