That leaves one with difficult questions. What is moral? What is the defining plumbline for what is moral? Is intelligence the same as wisdom?
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Why Agree with God?
- Thread starter Naama
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That leaves one with difficult questions. What is moral? What is the defining plumbline for what is moral? Is intelligence the same as wisdom?
Naama
Chibi Lilith
If we can’t agree on what’s moral with reasoning then I don’t personally think it’s based on intellect.
We need to have problems and deal with them to grow and care and be satisfied
74x12
Well-Known Member
At the very least God knows a lot more than we do. Especially when you know God knows all your thoughts and everything about you. (Psalm 139:1-6)
What about angels do you think you know more than angels? Angels believe God is right.
What is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge in the Jewish scripture?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
What do they say then?
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
That depends entirely on who you talk to. Mostly, I believe that some form of 'treat others as you would be treated' covers pretty much everything.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
his children
Bird123
Well-Known Member
I believe God as described by Judaism exist, but I am baffled by why so many people believe that becuase a god or goddess exists that we should agree with their rules and attitudes.
Why is this so prevelant?
Thanks for your time and please play nice.
AS I see it about the Real God: Argue, Disagree, Complain, Scream, Pout, and even Hate if you must. It's all OK! It's all a part of when one questions. On the other hand, when the Math starts to add up and you start to see the Genius behind everything, things will change before your eyes for you will have acquired True Understanding.
It's a little like the stranger that moved to the small town. Everyone thought the stranger was crazy until one day someone said: Look closely for there is Method to the Madness.
All these rules you speak of, I would be very careful saying they are coming from God, you might just discover Mankind has a Big hand in them.
Naama
Chibi Lilith
.......You know God has killed children right?
Naama
Chibi Lilith
Just because someone knows more it doesn't make them right. It means they can see more possibilities. But I don't see how any of these makes someone "right".....
Wait....I think I get it! You think that there must be an objective right, correct?
Scott C.
Just one guy
As a Mormon I believe OT, NT, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price are all scripture. That whole package shows God to be what I believe him to be. If that God exists, as I believe he does, I would have to be one arrogant dude to believe I could out think him on morality.
Naama
Chibi Lilith
Many things about God. He is powerful and knowledgeable and can be loving but he can also be angry, wrathful, and jealous.
The scriptures have many rules......Not eating pork is a (in)famous example.
What if only the Jews are His children? What if He is looking out for Himself?
God is so powerful and intelligent He could easily manipulate us if He wants to.
Naama
Chibi Lilith
Why do people believe there must be one objective morality? What leads people to believe that?
Scott C.
Just one guy
God.
Naama
Chibi Lilith
But....I asked why you thought that God's opinion was the right one....and then you said he would know the most about morality.....and now are you saying that it's because it's God's opinion?
I think we've gone around in a circle.....
Scott C.
Just one guy
No offense but you are going in circles, not me. I made it very clear that I believe in the God of the OT, NT, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. That God is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and the Supreme Determiner of what is moral. Since I believe that God exists, I would be incredibly arrogant to challenge his position on anything. Then you asked me why I believe there is objective morality. Well, because the God in whom I believe and whom I do not challenge, says there is objective morality. So then you ask, why don't I challenge God. To which I remind you that I don't challenge God becasue of whom I believe him to be... and we go in circles...but I think you are spinning the circle
Naama
Chibi Lilith
Ummm I didn't want to make you angry.....I'm just going to not reply for now okay?
EDIT: Also you said a very scary thing that you edited out, and I'm just not comfortable talking to you right now.....
Scott C.
Just one guy
Whoa, hold on. I am not angry. Perhaps came across that way unintentionally. You made a statement in another post about God killing children, as if to say God is a terrible being. I believe that interpretation to be so very, very wrong. God loves all of his children and the scriptures say he weeps when we suffer, especially children. Fortunately, I believe that if a young child's life is tragically cut short, they go to be with God in heaven. But Jesus said of anyone who would offend a child "It would be better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea..."
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not adhere to the Bible because I am a Baha'i, and we have a new revelation from God that came through the Prophet Baha'u'llah. He explained what we can know about God, which is very little although it is enough.
I see no reason to believe in older scriptures when we now have new scriptures that are very clear and easy to understand.
Naama
Chibi Lilith
I do not adhere to the Bible because I am a Baha'i, and we have a new revelation from God that came through the Prophet Baha'u'llah. He explained what we can know about God, which is very little although it is enough.
I see no reason to believe in older scriptures when we now have new scriptures that are very clear and easy to understand.
So you don't believe in the Jewish prophets?
EDIT: Also I don't believe in the Bible, I believe in the Torah.