Why Ahmadis and other non-believers must suffer

[RamaRaksha]

There are rational explanations to everything
Let's take out all this magic mumbo-jumbo, God in the heavens stuff and ask ourselves whether there are rational explanations to these ideas
If you go back in time, life was pretty hard for our ancestors - 3 square meals a day was a luxury, most people depended on Agriculture, crops fail and people basically starved to death. In those harsh times people must have wondered - is this it? And then death? That's all?
And then some guy started talking about life after death - a magic land of plenty awaits - a Sugar Daddy ready and waiting with a bucket of chicken - you get to sit back and take it easy! Must have sounded like music to our ancestors ears
In those days Kings ruled with an iron fist - there was no democracy - so the guy who started this idea used the local king as his template for God. Slaves/Servants brought before the King got down on their knees, swore undying loyalty, shaking with fear, begged for his mercy and protection. Loyalty was of utmost importance to the King naturally, he might tolerate a pedophile, mass murderer if he was useful but will not tolerate even the best disloyal person
It's these same ideas that Christianity and Islam teach - belief is now loyalty - and in the Kingdom there is no room for unbelievers. Slaves fighting over how best to serve the master so that he will bestow blessings on them, taught to hate those who do not kneel to the Master. Fighting over who master likes best and that is where minorities like the Ahmadis and other religions suffer
Can't believe that in the 21st century - Master/Slave religions are the dominant ones - greed for the easy good life brainwashing even the best of them

 

[DawudTalut]

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Can't believe that in the 21st century .....

Peace be on you.
As one sees, as the times moves away from original divine teachings, disorder in faith-related practices increases, what the original religion never intended, latter corruption present it part of faith. For example true Islamic teaching do not say if someone disagree with believers, they should be persecuted. Decisions will be made in Hereafter. Live peacefully in this world. But interpretations are made in such a way that every sect call the other one disbeliever and verdicts are passed to kill them.

In some material aspects, however, there is outstanding progress, science and technology, information, global world phenomenon.

But again if even common decent morals are not observed, what can be expected from users of powerful scientific revolution.

 

[RamaRaksha]

Peace be on you.
As one sees, as the times moves away from original divine teachings, disorder in faith-related practices increases, what the original religion never intended, latter corruption present it part of faith. For example true Islamic teaching do not say if someone disagree with believers, they should be persecuted. Decisions will be made in Hereafter. Live peacefully in this world. But interpretations are made in such a way that every sect call the other one disbeliever and verdicts are passed to kill them.

In some material aspects, however, there is outstanding progress, science and technology, information, global world phenomenon.

But again if even common decent morals are not observed, what can be expected from users of powerful scientific revolution.

Ideas don't come from the sky - they all come from life - life that is experienced - when these religions were born, Kings ruled, there was no democracy - see the Terminology - Commandments, Submit, beg, mercy, wrath, Fear - all Slave/Servant words - people easy to manipulate. Can you tell me why there is not even one islamic country where minorities feel safe? Why there is little democracy?
Tell me, if the Buddha had been born in any islamic country, would he have the freedom to go around the country and preach his faith? Even today he can't do that. Only One God is basically saying Only our religion, only our way - there are no Buddhas in islamic or christian lands - not that they were not born, but they were never allowed to speak

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You realize that there were religions, including forms of democracy, for tens of thousands of years before the Jews even existed, right?

 

[Papoon]

Ideas don't come from the sky - they all come from life - life that is experienced - when these religions were born, Kings ruled, there was no democracy - see the Terminology - Commandments, Submit, beg, mercy, wrath, Fear - all Slave/Servant words - people easy to manipulate. Can you tell me why there is not even one islamic country where minorities feel safe? Why there is little democracy?
Tell me, if the Buddha had been born in any islamic country, would he have the freedom to go around the country and preach his faith? Even today he can't do that. Only One God is basically saying Only our religion, only our way - there are no Buddhas in islamic or christian lands - not that they were not born, but they were never allowed to speak

You didn't mention the other main religion - free market democracy. And it is a religion. 'Religion' is from the Latin 'religare', meaning to bind together. BTW, the word 'credit' means 'belief'.
In our modern economic religion, there are certainly masters and slaves. In fact the corporations, our masters, are now openly relegating governments to a slave role.To understand this, look at the agreement called TPP (TransPacific Partnership) for example.
This international agreement among various governments allows corporations to sue governments whose policies impact on the profit of their business. In other words, it is becoming internationally official that the community serves corporate profit, not the other way around.
Over the last 60 or so years, increase in community wealth, the outcome of work done by hundreds of millions of people, has almost entirely been funnelled upwards to 0.1 % of the population. And mostly to the top 0.01%.
This is grand theft on an unimaginable scale. It relies on what are effectively religious beliefs - that the work of masters of corporations is worth thousands of times the work of those who actually create and deliver the products and services. This is actually irrational, yet is supported by a conditioned acceptance which in the final analysis will be enforced at gunpoint if the conditioned belief is broken.

 

[DawudTalut]

...... Can you tell me why there is not even one islamic country where minorities feel safe? ......
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Peace be on you.
You are right, practices on true faith have become lesser. It was prophesied, and solution was foretold too:

The Companion Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:
One day we were sitting with Holy Prophet when Surah Jumua was revealed. I inquired from the Holy Prophet, Who are the people to whom the words, "And among others who have not yet joined them" Salman, the Persian was sitting among us. Upon my repeated asking him the same question the Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman and said;If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from these would surely find it. [Ref: Book of Hadith, Bukhari]


According to Ahmadiyya-Muslims this is the Promised man who has come as Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) and process of coming back to original teaching of Islam has begun. As always, the way is, inertia resist the change. Ahmadiyya minority is not a simple minority, it is the promised minority destined to be majority and to win the hearts of all with prayers and pen - no weapons. You can see what Ahmadiyya Khilafat is doing and what other Khilafat [isis] is doing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You realize that there were religions, including forms of democracy, for tens of thousands of years before the Jews even existed, right?

Agree. There would likely be a fundamental platform by which religion is built upon, and expanded to what we see today.