Why anti-theism is a joke.

crystalonyx · Sep 28, 2011

Quagmire said:
It would be interesting to see a few examples of that.

Thread Header

"Why anti-theism is a joke. "

Do you see thread headers saying

"Why religion is a joke"

No, because a person posting that knows they could be banned.

Nuff said.

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

crystalonyx said:
From what I've seen on here, atheism is attacked with much more ferocity than religion, which is also generally true in our society.

crystalonyx said:
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"Why anti-theism is a joke. "

It's already been explained, in progressively simplistic terms, that "anti-theism" and atheism aren't intended to mean the same thing.

Try again.

crystalonyx said:
Do you see thread headers saying

"Why religion is a joke"

In one way or another, absolutely. Along with signatures and more posts than I can give a number to.

crystalonyx said:
No, because a person posting that knows they could be banned.

Nuff said.

You haven't been paying a whole ot of attention in here have you?

I'll go and get you a few examples of what I'm talking about.

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

Quagmire said:
It's already been explained, in progressively simplistic terms, that "anti-theism" and atheism aren't intended to mean the same thing.

Try again.

In one way or another, absolutely. Along with signatures and more posts than I can give a number to.

You haven't been paying a whole ot of attention in here have you?

I'll go and get you a few examples of what I'm talking about.

Here's one to start you off with:

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"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."

Thomas Jefferson

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That didn't take long at all, did it?

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

crystalonyx · Sep 28, 2011

Quagmire said:
Here's one to start you off with:

That didn't take long at all, did it?

A quote from a very famous source. Also, saying religion is founded upon mythlogoy isn't saying it is found upon a joke, 2 different things entirely.

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

crystalonyx said:
A quote from a very famous source. Also, saying religion is founded upon mythlogoy isn't saying it is found upon a joke, 2 different things entirely.

Even considering the source, this is an unfair generalization:

"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies".

The real issue though is why you would choose this as your signature in a forum designed to engage in respectful discussion/debate about religion.

There's no doubt in my mind it was chosen to express contempt for religion as whole. That seems fairly obvious to me.

And no, the way you're using it and the most logical conclusion for why you choose it basically amounts to the same thing as saying "Religion is a joke".

This, of course, is just my opinion, but I would be very surprised if it doesn't seem just as apparent to most other people as it does to me.

crystalonyx · Sep 28, 2011

Quagmire said:
Even considering the source, this is an unfair generalization:

"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies".

The real issue though is why you would choose this as your signature in a forum designed to engage in respectful discussion/debate about religion.

There's no doubt in my mind it was chosen to express contempt for religion as whole. That seems fairly obvious to me.

And no, the way you're using it and the most logical conclusion for why you choose it basically amounts to the same thing as saying "Religion is a joke".

This, of course, is just my opinion, but I would be very surprised if it doesn't seem just as apparent to most other people as it does to me.

The difference is that Thomas Jefferson's quote is basically a reality(most all religions are steeped in mythology, whether one believes them or not is non-sequitor). The anti-theist stance is basically an opinion.

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

Now, there's a lot, lot more to choose from. But I think this is enough already to show that when you said this:

crystalonyx said:
Thread Header

"Why anti-theism is a joke. "

Do you see thread headers saying

"Why religion is a joke"

No, because a person posting that knows they could be banned.

Nuff said.

...you really had no idea at all what you were talking about.

And I'm still waiting for you to post a single example that backs up this claim:

crystalonyx said:
From what I've seen on here, atheism is attacked with much more ferocity than religion, which is also generally true in our society.

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

crystalonyx said:
The difference is that Thomas Jefferson's quote is basically a reality(most all religions are steeped in mythology, whether one believes them or not is non-sequitor). The anti-theist stance is basically an opinion.

Like I said: the validity of the point Jefferson is making isn't the issue,

The issue is your own personal reason for choosing it as your sig, and I already gave my opinion about that.

And do you really think Jefferson's quote in any way represents the "anti-theist" stance?

Tell me, please, what do you think the "anti-theist" stance is?

Copernicus · Sep 28, 2011

There is a fair amount of bashing done on both sides of the theism/atheism divide, and that is to be expected in a debate forum. I would hate to see moderators try to enforce their version of what counts as "fair treatment" on others. It is very hard sometimes not to let provocative remarks pass, and some of us feel the sting more than others. The best policy is to try to develop a thick skin and remember that the person being unfair to you is probably as decent a person as you are. I think that the term "anti-theist" has a more neutral connotation than has been applied to it in this thread and that it is used here primarily as a vehicle for bashing atheists. Nevertheless, it is not completely out of line with the kind of exchanges that go on in this forum, and I don't think it fair to characterize one side as inherently nastier than the other.

Apex · Sep 28, 2011

Copernicus said:
There is a fair amount of bashing done on both sides of the theism/atheism divide, and that is to be expected in a debate forum. I would hate to see moderators try to enforce their version of what counts as "fair treatment" on others. It is very hard sometimes not to let provocative remarks pass, and some of us feel the sting more than others. The best policy is to try to develop a thick skin and remember that the person being unfair to you is probably as decent a person as you are. I think that the term "anti-theist" has a more neutral connotation than has been applied to it in this thread and that it is used here primarily as a vehicle for bashing atheists. Nevertheless, it is not completely out of line with the kind of exchanges that go on in this forum, and I don't think it fair to characterize one side as inherently nastier than the other.

The simple fact is, over the past year or more, the amount of bashing on religion on this forum has far surpassed any bashing on atheism. Its to the point now that should anyone on this site attempt to bash atheism in any obvious manner they are ridiculed/flamed into inactivity or leaving the site. There has been a stream of threads from various theists pointing this out and that many of us are getting too tired of it to continue posting on this site in any kind of serious manner.

Revoltingest · Sep 28, 2011

Apex said:
The simple fact is, over the past year or more, the amount of bashing on religion on this forum has far surpassed any bashing on atheism. Its to the point now that should anyone on this site attempt to bash atheism in any obvious manner they are ridiculed/flamed into inactivity or leaving the site. There has been a stream of threads from various theists pointing this out and that many of us are getting too tired of it to continue posting on this site in any kind of serious manner.

There's too much abuse in general, but many posters seem to really have it in for Xians & Republicans.
Being neither, I watch in detached amazement at the intolerance of those who trumpet their 'tolerance'.

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

Copernicus said:
There is a fair amount of bashing done on both sides of the theism/atheism divide, and that is to be expected in a debate forum.

No kidding.

Copernicus said:
I would hate to see moderators try to enforce their version of what counts as "fair treatment" on others.

What exactly do you think our job is?

Copernicus said:
It is very hard sometimes not to let provocative remarks pass, and some of us feel the sting more than others.

There's quite a difference between "provocative remarks" and propaganda. Although I fully realize that focusing on those distinctions runs counter to the interests of the propagandist.

Copernicus said:
The best policy is to try to develop a thick skin and remember that the person being unfair to you is probably as decent a person as you are.

That's much easier to remember in some cases than in others.

Copernicus said:
I think that the term "anti-theist" has a more neutral connotation than has been applied to it in this thread and that it is used here primarily as a vehicle for bashing atheists.

Please give some consideration to the distinction between the terms "think" and "suspect".

Thinking leads to an understanding of situations and the people involved. Suspicions, probably more often than not, only serve to cloud the thinking process.

Copernicus said:
Nevertheless, it is not completely out of line with the kind of exchanges that go on in this forum, and I don't think it fair to characterize one side as inherently nastier than the other.

So in your view there are only two sides?

I see at least three.

Apex · Sep 28, 2011

Revoltingest said:
There's too much abuse in general, but many posters seem to really have it in for Xians & Republicans.
Being neither, I watch in detached amazement at the intolerance of those who trumpet their 'tolerance'.

God help you on this site if you are a Republican Christian who lives in the south. All three separately are bashed incessantly on this site.

Revoltingest · Sep 28, 2011

Apex said:
God help you on this site if you are a Republican Christian who lives in the south. All three separately are bashed incessantly on this site.

Dang! I forgot about southerners.
But I see them as being more occasionally disrespected than continually despised.

crystalonyx said:
From what I've seen on here, atheism is attacked with much more ferocity than religion, which is also generally true in our society.

I think we're treated pretty well here, better than Xians & Muslims.

Quagmire · Sep 28, 2011

[B said:
Copernicus[/b] ]I think that the term "anti-theist" has a more neutral connotation than has been applied to it in this thread and that it is used here primarily as a vehicle for bashing atheists.

All an atheist is is someone who doesn't hold a belief in God/Gods/etc.

Have you seen anyone in this thread say or even allude to the idea that that in itself is a bad thing? Or that anyone who doesn't hold a belief in any of the above isn't welcome here solely because they don't?

No. What people are objecting to in this thread are anti-theists, not athiests.

Saying or even suggesting that "atheist" automatically equates to"anti-theist" makes as much sense as saying that a non-Semite is the same thing as an anti-Semite.

To me it seems ridiculously obvious that a lot of people in this thread are purposely clouding the issue by blurring the distinction in order to get the focus off of their behavior and try and make it look as if they're being attacked exclusively for their theological stance.

The distinction between atheist and anti-theist has been made over and over again in this thread by people who are actually trying to address the topic rather than attempting to do everything they can to avoid addressing it. The people in the later category are inadvertently making a much better case for the OP via demonstration than anyone could ever hope to by explanation.

Even so, if it'll help make things clearer, I think I'll be using the term "Religophobe" from now on.

Apex · Sep 28, 2011

Quagmire said:
Even so, if it'll help make things clearer, I think I'll be using the term "Religophobe" from now on.

Genius, lol!

atanu · Sep 28, 2011

crystalonyx said:
From what I've seen on here, atheism is attacked with much more ferocity than religion, which is also generally true in our society.

You are correct perhaps. This is so because theists are all idiots and indulge in nonsense. Now you can search the forums to find out how common this is the expressed thinking among anti-theists. :sarcastic

atanu · Sep 28, 2011

Quagmire said:
Saying or even suggesting that "atheist" automatically equates to"anti-theist" makes as much sense as saying that a non-Semite is the same thing as an anti-Semite.

Should be agreeable to all.

Me Myself · Sep 28, 2011

TheMainMan said:
In response to the original topic, I am anti-religion only because one of the deepest feelings I have is that a 'cult' (for lack of a better word, I mean no insult) like a religion or even something else that stresses belief in something unprovable above all else is not healthy for the human psyche.

The exterior world is unprovable (at least rationally speaking).

Most people would say it is healthy to believe in it though. :shrug:

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