Why are men expected to take care of their children?

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Why do women get to choose if they can take care of their child or not but men do not get this choice? When a woman is pregnant in a country/state that allows abortion she has the option to keep the baby to term or to abort the baby. Lets say a woman decides she cannot support her baby financially and decides to have an abortion. This is thought of by many as her decision and should be respected. If the woman decides to have the baby the father is expected to support that baby financially or he is generally considered a deadbeat if he does not. Why shouldn't the father get to choose whether he wants or can support the child? What if he cannot financially take care of the child and does not want that burden? Why the double standard?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Why do women get to choose if they can take care of their child or not but men do not get this choice? When a woman is pregnant in a country/state that allows abortion she has the option to keep the baby to term or to abort the baby. Lets say a woman decides she cannot support her baby financially and decides to have an abortion. This is thought of by many as her decision and should be respected. If the woman decides to have the baby the father is expected to support that baby financially or he is generally considered a deadbeat if he does not. Why shouldn't the father get to choose whether he wants or can support the child? What if he cannot financially take care of the child and does not want that burden? Why the double standard?

Do you understand the difference between supporting someone financially and supporting someone by allowing them the use of your body over nine months, including multiple medical procedures and processes that - in many cases - lead to significant and permanent changes to your life and body and - in most cases - the expectation of continuing to support that individual throughout the entire rest of your life, both financially and personally, with a significant cost to you in monetary, physical, social and personal terms?

 

[ChristineM]

What if he cannot financially take care of the child and does not want that burden?

Then he should have kept his **** in his pants

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you understand the difference between supporting someone financially and supporting someone by allowing them the use of your body over nine months, including multiple medical procedures and processes that - in many cases - lead to significant and permanent changes to your life and body and - in most cases - the expectation of continuing to support that individual throughout the entire rest of your life, both financially and personally, with a significant cost to you in monetary, physical, social and personal terms?

According to the Guttmacher Institute the two top reasons for women to choose abortion are "I cannot afford a baby right now" and "having a baby would dramatically change my life". These two reasons can apply to the father as well right? So why is the father forced to take care of a child when the mother does not have to for the same reasons?

Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

Public discussion about abortion in the United States has generally focused on policy: who should be allowed to have abortions, and under what circumstances. Receiving less attention are the women behind the statistics—the 1.3 million women who obtain abortions each year1—and their reasons for...

www.guttmacher.org

 

[Audie]

Why do women get to choose if they can take care of their child or not but men do not get this choice? When a woman is pregnant in a country/state that allows abortion she has the option to keep the baby to term or to abort the baby. Lets say a woman decides she cannot support her baby financially and decides to have an abortion. This is thought of by many as her decision and should be respected. If the woman decides to have the baby the father is expected to support that baby financially or he is generally considered a deadbeat if he does not. Why shouldn't the father get to choose whether he wants or can support the child? What if he cannot financially take care of the child and does not want that burden? Why the double standard?

Be a woman and find out.
Or a man, ftm.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Then he should have kept his dick in his pants

See, you have this reaction to the men but why cannot this type of comment be said to the woman like "you should not have put a dick in your pants?" Why do you think it is ok to deride the man but not the woman for the same act?

 

[crossfire]

Why do women get to choose if they can take care of their child or not but men do not get this choice? When a woman is pregnant in a country/state that allows abortion she has the option to keep the baby to term or to abort the baby. Lets say a woman decides she cannot support her baby financially and decides to have an abortion. This is thought of by many as her decision and should be respected. If the woman decides to have the baby the father is expected to support that baby financially or he is generally considered a deadbeat if he does not. Why shouldn't the father get to choose whether he wants or can support the child? What if he cannot financially take care of the child and does not want that burden? Why the double standard?

Managing a pregnancy comes under the realm of a personal healthcare decision. After childbirth it becomes a family law matter.

 

[Eddi]

This has been in the news lately and is relevant to this thread:

British men first in the world to try new hormone-free male contraceptive pill

Unlike the female pill, a new male equivalent, YCT-529, is hormone-free and prevents sperm production by blocking access to vitamin A. If the tests prove successful, scientists hope the responsibility for contraception could be shared between the sexes.

news.sky.com

 

[Orbit]

See, you have this reaction to the men but why cannot this type of comment be said to the woman like "you should not have put a dick in your pants?" Why do you think it is ok to deride the man but not the woman for the same act?

What I see happening is the opposite.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Be a woman and find out.
Or a man, ftm.

Tell me then?

 

[Audie]

Tell me then?

Reread my post

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Managing a pregnancy comes under the realm of a personal healthcare decision. After childbirth it becomes a family law matter.

That does not make sense. If the woman's reason for an abortion is she cannot financial support the child, why does that not apply to the father as well?

 

[crossfire]

That does not make sense. If the woman's reason for an abortion is she cannot financial support the child, why does that not apply to the father as well?

Are you saying that managing a pregnancy is not a personal healthcare matter?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

According to the Guttmacher Institute the two top reasons for women to choose abortion are "I cannot afford a baby right now" and "having a baby would dramatically change my life". These two reasons can apply to the father as well right? So why is the father forced to take care of a child when the mother does not have to for the same reasons?

Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

Public discussion about abortion in the United States has generally focused on policy: who should be allowed to have abortions, and under what circumstances. Receiving less attention are the women behind the statistics—the 1.3 million women who obtain abortions each year1—and their reasons for...

www.guttmacher.org

You've not really answered my question.

Read my post again and you'll pretty quickly understand why. The consequences for the mother, in almost all circumstances, are significantly greater than the consequences for the man. You're asking why a man should, at the absolute very least in the majority of circumstances, be expected to pay alimony while the mother, again at the absolute very least in the majority of circumstances, be expected to endure significant physical hardship and support and raise another human being for the entire rest of her life.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Are you saying that managing a pregnancy is not a personal healthcare matter?

No, I asked the question I asked. Do you care to answer it?

If the woman's reason for an abortion is she cannot financial support the child, why does that not apply to the father as well? Why should the father be forced to support a baby he cannot afford if the mother has that option?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You've not really answered my question.

Read my post again and you'll pretty quickly understand why. The consequences for the mother, in almost all circumstances, are significantly greater than the consequences for the man. You're asking why a man should, at the absolute very least in the majority of circumstances, be expected to pay alimony while the mother, again at the absolute very least in the majority of circumstances, be expected to endure significant physical hardship and support and raise another human being for the entire rest of her life.

But the man IS required to support the child the rest of his life at least where I live. My question is why does the mother get this choice but not the father? They both have a burden to support the child but only the mother has an option to not support the child. They have the same reasons for not wanting to take care of the child.

 

[ChristineM]

See, you have this reaction to the men but why cannot this type of comment be said to the woman like "you should not have put a dick in your pants?" Why do you think it is ok to deride the man but not the woman for the same act?

Of course the same applies to women, if having a child is so much of an imposition then keep your legs closed

I don't think it's ok and I'd thank you to ask before casting aspersions

 

[Quintessence]

It sure is rich to talk about double standards when my country has rendered women second class citizens in a very official capacity by striking down the most fundamental of human rights - the right to bodily autonomy.

 

[crossfire]

No, I asked the question I asked. Do you care to answer it?

If the woman's reason for an abortion is she cannot financial support the child, why does that not apply to the father as well? Why should the father be forced to support a baby he cannot afford if the mother has that option?

I did answer your question. Let me repeat: managing a pregnancy is a personal healthcare decision. This includes whether to continue the pregnancy to childbirth.
After childbirth, it becomes a matter of family law.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Of course the same applies to women, if having a child is so much of an imposition then keep your legs closed

I don't think it's ok and I'd thank you to ask before casting aspersions

Ok I will do that.

Do you not think there is a double standard on this issue?