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Why are people Catholic?

Was just wondering what caused people to follow the Catholic teachings, rather than any other of the numerous denominations.

Not trying to cause arguments or debates. Just gathering information.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The Catholic church is fascinating. The development of doctrines over the centuries is especially interesting. Most mainstream Protestant doctrines have their roots in Roman Catholic doctrines.

There is a strong sense of community within Catholicism. It's cool that all over the world, in every Catholic Mass on every Sunday, the same scriptures are being read and the same Mass is being said. It really brings home the reality of "the communion of the saints."
 
The Catholic church is fascinating. The development of doctrines over the centuries is especially interesting. Most mainstream Protestant doctrines have their roots in Roman Catholic doctrines.

There is a strong sense of community within Catholicism. It's cool that all over the world, in every Catholic Mass on every Sunday, the same scriptures are being read and the same Mass is being said. It really brings home the reality of "the communion of the saints."

That's fair enough i think. I've never heard much nice stuff about The Catholic Church.
Mainly about the years of persecution of various peoples and the crusades etc. Plus all the stuff about child abuse.

Just wondering what a Catholic thinks about all this? Is it something thats just ignored or something else?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
That's fair enough i think. I've never heard much nice stuff about The Catholic Church.
Mainly about the years of persecution of various peoples and the crusades etc. Plus all the stuff about child abuse.

Just wondering what a Catholic thinks about all this? Is it something thats just ignored or something else?

They put it in perspective.

Unlike many other churches or religious groups, the Catholic Church has over 2000 years of history, and a much larger group of followers, and a much larger group of leaders, than any other religion or sect. The law of averages means that there will be a larger NUMBER of negative incidents - but not a larger PERCENTAGE.

You have to look at percentages, not just numbers. Percentage wise, they struggle with about the same amount of corruption, sexual abuse, etc as any other religious group.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
I can speak to the OP as someone raised Roman Catholic.

Even though I no longer can believe as required to be a Catholic, there are several things that I miss and probably always will about being Catholic.

1) The certainty that the church had a safety net by means of the sacrament of confession for all those things that you keep on doing even though you know they're wrong. Along with that, the teaching that Jesus is always there in the confessional in the presence of the priest, hearing you tell your sins and understanding because He was human too how easy it is to fall back into old behaviors you'd promised yourself you wouldn't do again. There's something very comforting and healing about opening up and telling the priest-as-Jesus what all you did that was wrong and having him say, "Your sins are forgiven. Go and sin no more."

That's something that a Protestant just doesn't understand. Mostly, why you would need to talk to a human being, the priest, when you can just ask God for forgiveness in prayer. Sometimes, just as we feel better telling our problems to a sympathetic person, telling the priest how we've failed and hearing that it'll be okay, we're forgiven and can start anew to try to do better really helps.

2) The Mass, including the belief that the dramatic ritual of the priest speaking the words of consecration over the communion wafers and chalice of wine actually transforms them into the Body and Blood of Christ, is something that touches a Catholic deeply in some sense every time you attend Mass. I still respect its awesomeness and power so much that I cannot fail to capitalize the words.

Again, that a ceremony could have such an impact will probably never be understood by a non-Catholic. Anyone not a Catholic rarely can understand but a glimmering of the uplifting feeling that the the consecration followed by receiving communion can bring.

3--The beauty of the architecture and interior design of most Catholic churches whether your taste tends toward very modern and simple or Gothic and elaborate as many of the 19th century and early 20th century American churches are.

This is another aspect of Catholicism that non-Catholics think is wasteful and overdone. All those statues, stained glass windows with pictures, colors, use of gold for the chalice and some decorative touches, sometimes marble and other valuable types of stone or materials--just way over the top.

To Catholics, beautiful surroundings in church encourage the mind to contemplate the beauty of Christ's sacrifice and the beauty of God's love for His Church.

There is nothing comparable to a Christmas Midnight Mass to impress a person with the awe and majesty of Catholic ritual. All the stops are out on that night, and even in the most modest little Catholic church, that Mass will touch you profoundly in some way unless you've truly a hard heart.

4) The knowledge, as Kathryn mentioned, that every aspect of the essentials from the order of the Mass to the beliefs required of Catholics is the same worldwide. A Catholic will feel at home no matter where in the world s/he steps into a Catholic church. During Mass, even if you can't understand the language used where you are, the prayers, readings and rituals are in the same order as they are in your home parish. You can still figure out what's going on and recognize each element if you pay attention.

"Once a Catholic, always a Catholic" is true in a grander sense than I like to think sometimes. And in those moments, I miss it on a deep, emotional level that I know cannot be satisfied by any other religion. That's what the training and understanding that even as a living person you are a member of the community of saints does to the mind and heart.

Edit note: Lotta edits. Difficult to write clearly when you're speaking from such a deep well of emotion.
 
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I can speak to the OP as someone raised Roman Catholic.

Even though I no longer can believe as required to be a Catholic, there are several things that I miss and probably always will about being Catholic.

1) The certainty that the church had a safety net by means of the sacrament of confession for all those things that you keep on doing even though you know they're wrong. Along with that, the teaching that Jesus is always there in the confessional in the presence of the priest, hearing you tell your sins and understanding because He was human too how easy it is to fall back into old behaviors you'd promised yourself you wouldn't do again. There's something very comforting and healing about opening up and telling the priest-as-Jesus what all you did that was wrong and having him say, "Your sins are forgiven. Go and sin no more."

That's something that a Protestant just doesn't understand. Mostly, why you would need to talk to a human being, the priest, when you can just ask God for forgiveness in prayer. Sometimes, just as we feel better telling our problems to a sympathetic person, telling the priest how we've failed and hearing that it'll be okay, we're forgiven and can start anew to try to do better really helps.

2) The Mass, including the belief that the dramatic ritual of the priest speaking the words of consecration over the communion wafers and chalice of wine actually transforms them into the Body and Blood of Christ, is something that touches a Catholic deeply in some sense every time you attend Mass. I still respect its awesomeness and power so much that I cannot fail to capitalize the words.

Again, that a ceremony could have such an impact will probably never be understood by a non-Catholic. Anyone not a Catholic rarely can understand but a glimmering of the uplifting feeling that the the consecration followed by receiving communion can bring.

3--The beauty of the architecture and interior design of most Catholic churches whether your taste tends toward very modern and simple or Gothic and elaborate as many of the 19th century and early 20th century American churches are.

This is another aspect of Catholicism that non-Catholics think is wasteful and overdone. All those statues, stained glass windows with pictures, colors, use of gold for the chalice and some decorative touches, sometimes marble and other valuable types of stone or materials--just way over the top.

To Catholics, beautiful surroundings in church encourage the mind to contemplate the beauty of Christ's sacrifice and the beauty of God's love for His Church.

There is nothing comparable to a Christmas Midnight Mass to impress a person with the awe and majesty of Catholic ritual. All the stops are out on that night, and even in the most modest little Catholic church, that Mass will touch you profoundly in some way unless you've truly a hard heart.

4) The knowledge, as Kathryn mentioned, that every aspect of the essentials from the order of the Mass to the beliefs required of Catholics is the same worldwide. A Catholic will feel at home no matter where in the world s/he steps into a Catholic church. During Mass, even if you can't understand the language used where you are, the prayers, readings and rituals are in the same order as they are in your home parish. You can still figure out what's going on and recognize each element if you pay attention.

"Once a Catholic, always a Catholic" is true in a grander sense than I like to think sometimes. And in those moments, I miss it on a deep, emotional level that I know cannot be satisfied by any other religion. That's what the training and understanding that even as a living person you are a member of the community of saints does to the mind and heart.

Edit note: Lotta edits. Difficult to write clearly when you're speaking from such a deep well of emotion.


Thanks for the time taken to respond with this.

I've alwasy found something weird about confession.....surely you should confess to God and God alone =/
and also with The priest being called Father...wasn't it said int he Bible, call no one but God the Father, Father.

Just want to know what you think about that, if that's ok ?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Thanks for the time taken to respond with this.

I've alwasy found something weird about confession.....surely you should confess to God and God alone =/
and also with The priest being called Father...wasn't it said int he Bible, call no one but God the Father, Father.

Just want to know what you think about that, if that's ok ?


What do you call your own dad? I mean, if you can't call anyone but God "Father" why do you call ANYONE on earth your father? And when or if you are a father, how do you identify yourself in relation to your kids?

Clearly this wasn't meant to be taken literally.

As for confession, the bible states that we are to confess our faults one to another. Nowhere does the bible state that we are only to confess our sins to God.
 
Also, what is the difference between the books of the Catholic Bible and Protestant Bibles?
Why are there more books in the Catholic Version?
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
Thanks for the time taken to respond with this.

I've alwasy found something weird about confession.....surely you should confess to God and God alone =/

Is it weird to tell your problems and troubles to a psychiatrist? Same thing basically as confession as far as talking about what you're doing wrong is concerned.

As I said, the importance of and release one can get from confessing are not easily understood by someone not brought up (or who hasn't studied to convert) within the RCC framework of beliefs.

and also with The priest being called Father...wasn't it said int he Bible, call no one but God the Father, Father.

Which would mean that we ought not call our biological fathers that either.

"Father" is simply a title showing respect for the priest's role and knowledge as well as the idea that in a sense the priest is the "father" of all his parish's "children"--the congregation. It's simply the term Catholics customarily use instead of Pastor or Reverend.

Btw, I'm not offended by what you're asking, nor does it bother me that you think what I'm telling you is weird. That you think so is understandable because this stuff doesn't make any sense considered in isolation.

As is true with so many religions, a person really can't understand how a particular ritual or practice is seen as valuable or worthwhile without being steeped in all the beliefs (what I call "framework") and teachings. They're so intertwined that as I explained about the priest being referred to as Father, each portion of Catholicism carries some symbolism that connects it to other beliefs and traditions. Thus, one's parish priest is a father to his congregation. A bishop is father to the priests, sisters and brothers he oversees as well as to the Catholic in the pew, on up the line to the Pope, the Holy Father of the entire RCC, and then to God the Father over all.
 
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Is it weird to tell your problems and troubles to a psychiatrist? Same thing basically as confession as far as talking about what you're doing wrong is concerned.

As I said, the importance of and release one can get from confessing are not easily understood by someone not brought up (or who hasn't studied to convert) within the RCC framework of beliefs.



Which would mean that we ought not call our biological fathers that either.

"Father" is simply a title showing respect for the priest's role and knowledge as well as the idea that in a sense the priest is the "father" of all his parish's "children"--the congregation. It's somewhat akin to addressing a minister of another faith as "Reverend."

Btw, I'm not offended by what you're asking, nor does it bother me that you think what I'm telling you is weird. That you think so is understandable because this stuff doesn't make any sense considered in isolation.

As is true with so many religions, a person really can't understand how a particular ritual or practice is seen as valuable or worthwhile without being steeped in all the beliefs (what I call "framework") and teachings. They're so intertwined that as I explained about the priest being referred to as Father, each portion of Catholicism carries some symbolism that connects it to other beliefs and traditions. Thus, one's parish priest is a father to his congregation. A bishop is father to the priests, sisters and brothers he oversees as well as to the Catholic in the pew, on up the line to the Pope, the Holy Father of the entire RCC, and then to God the Father over all.

I understand a lot more now, which is very good.
Thank you for your help.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
You're welcome.

That everything connects in some way to just about everything else in terms of symbols, beliefs and traditions in Catholicism is what makes it so appealing for a lot of people. It's a very structured faith...makes sense it would be since they've had a few thousand years to develop all this stuff and connect this symbol to these beliefs, and so forth.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
Also, what is the difference between the books of the Catholic Bible and Protestant Bibles?
Why are there more books in the Catholic Version?

Just a matter of the RCC having decided that the books they include contain valid truths whereas the Protestants rejected those books as untrue.

There aren't very many more included in the Catholic Bible...1 and 2 Maccabees are probably the most notable since the teaching about Purgatory was based upon material in one or maybe both of those books. But, even the RCC downplays Purgatory these days, so I don't even know if it's even taught about anymore...been out of the loop too long.

I kind of liked the idea of Purgatory when I was a kid. If you died not having confessed and been forgiven for less serious sins (anything not forbidden by the Ten Commandments), you spent some time in Purgatory making up for those sins and then would get into heaven.

Btw, a dying person who hadn't an opportunity to confess formally could still be forgiven and go straight to heaven if the person expressed sincere sorrow for sinning to God. That's what I was taught way back when.

In fact, I think the idea of confession has opened up more since I got out of Catholicism so that any Catholic may regard confessing to God as conferring forgiveness rather than formally confessing to the priest (probably a result of the severe shortage of priests).

Not that you couldn't do that always, but certain blessings are believed to be placed upon you by the fact that confession is regarded as a sacrament which is mostly why formal confession was the preferred method when I was Catholic looooong ago. (I quit in the early 1970's.)
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Also, what is the difference between the books of the Catholic Bible and Protestant Bibles?
Why are there more books in the Catholic Version?

Protestants removed 7 books of the canon - what is known as the deuterocanonical books - in the 1500s. In fact, Luther wanted to also remove Revelations and Hebrews, and I believe 1 John (not sure on that last one), but he was overruled.

Up till the 1900s, it was common for even the KJV of the bible to carry those 7 books, but in a separate section.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
I sincerely wish Luther had succeeded in his effort to get Revelation removed. NObody has Idea #1 what it's supposed to mean.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I sincerely wish Luther had succeeded in his effort to get Revelation removed. NObody has Idea #1 what it's supposed to mean.

LOL.

Hey, it's a weird day on RF when you and I - two former Catholics - join together to defend Catholicism.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
That's about Da Troot! LOL

So, are there things about it you still miss now and again, or not?

Yes, I miss a lot about RCC culture and traditions. They've definitely got it going on when it comes to sensory experiences and pomp and circumstance - not to mention a fascinating history. One that doesn't "start" in the 1500s!

But overall, I am comfortable with my choice to leave the Roman Catholic Church. I didn't leave in a fit or with any negative drama. It just didn't fit my belief system any longer, and it's sort of an all or nothing gig.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
There was plenty of drama for me, sadly. My parents threatened to disown me when they realized I was no longer going to the Catholic Church.

That didn't make the break any easier despite the fact that I'd quit believing some significant doctrines when I was only 15.
 

HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
You're Methodist, correct? That's a very pleasant leaning-to-liberal traditional Protestant denomination. Several of my mother's relatives were/are Methodists.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You're Methodist, correct? That's a very pleasant leaning-to-liberal traditional Protestant denomination. Several of my mother's relatives were/are Methodists.

Yes, I am Methodist. I really enjoy worshipping in the Methodist church. The liturgy and the liturgical seasons are almost identical to the RCC, as is the order of worship in general. I like the diversity of ideas within Methodism, and their tolerant approach to others. I like their emphasis on community work and philanthropic causes. I also like that they are decidedly NOT political.
 
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