Why are some religious people so hateful toward Gay People?

[Evandr]

Things--the lie itself--are not referred to with personal pronouns; "who" as in this case, which, of course, reinforces the fact that the object of god's hate here is NOT the lie itself, but the lier. A person.

This is a classic axample of how Bible verse becomes corrupted. In the KJV of the Bible verse 19 says "A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren"

All throughout the scriptures this type of language is used; mainly stating the effect something has rather than it referring the individual that initiates it. Example: A sharp spear that pokes a hole.

A synonym of abhor is to hate but "to shrink back from and shudder at" is also a definition of abhor. It is interesting that of the seven things noted the only one in which the expression is changed from hate to abhor is the one that makes reference to and individual and not just the act. This would indicate that hate is too strong a word in this instance and is therefore rejected as being an accurate depiction of how God feels towards someone.

 

[ahigherway]

Why use a religion for an excuse to bash gay people? Doesn't it make more sense to be friendly and welcoming toward gay people if one's religion is truly the "only way" to be saved? Being mean towards gay people and condemning us will only push us away from the salvation such religions claim to offer. Why do some use religion like this?

Hi Senedjem,
I think that I might be able to help you. I was part of several fundamentist groups years ago, and the teaching of eternal hell/annihilation caused me to hate and condemn my neighbor. This is because we were taught that God was hating and condemning sinners everyday, so it was natural for me to do the same.

But God IS Love, not "has" love. It is His nature and being to love. And we are to become like Him! He forgives, reconciles and is very merciful and patient.

I hope this helps.

Blessings to you,
brian

 

[Duck]

All you have shown is that God hates the sin and that is not the same as hating the sinner.

You are wrong. Homosexuality is nothing new and yes, investing in marriage has but one purpose, to ensure a strong society. It may be that our government cares not about anybody having children but it does care about the children that do come and it really is mindless rhetoric to say something other than the natural order of both God and nature is best for children. It is what has made humankind strong. It is no mere coincidence that the fall of nations, including the current swift erosion of our own, bears a telling and unsurprising parallel and inverse proportion to the rise of opinions such as yours being installed as an accepted part of our society. The fall of nations has happened before for many reasons but the discarding of the values associated with Jesus Christ has always been the root cause of destruction and no, you don’t have to know of Christ to know of the worth of such values, they are part of what is known as common sense or “horse sense” in some circles but it is all the same. I believe that only those who value self more than society take the stance you have.
Wrong again, The sin is abhorred and the sinner chastised but that is not the same hating the sinner. If it were not so then mankind would be left to himself while deity flitters about with interests that don't include us. If you do not know your Heavenly Father it is not because He has stopped loving you but that you have chosen to ignore Him.

Of course you refer to the Greek and Roman empires with this fall of nations bs. The rise and fall of the Greek empire happened several HUNDRED years before the birth of your christ, so nothing to do with, "discarding of the values associated with Jesus Christ". The Roman empire one could argue didn't fall until after it abandoned its original values, you know the ones associated with Jupiter, Juno, Diana, Bacchus, Vulcan and others, in favor of those "values associated with Jesus Christ". I however, recognize that the rise and fall of empires is much more complicated than when viewed from 1500 or more years distance. So again, teh gheys are NOT the cause anymore than christian suppression of the pagan religions was the cause.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Why are some religious people so hateful toward Gay People?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say it's because they hate gay people. Just a wild guess.

 

[no-body]

This encompasses a lot of different ideas and religions. Sometimes it can be because the persons sexuality is threatened. But as we've seen in this thread, it comes down to brainwashing. When you can say you don't hate gay people but you don't want to grant them rights something is wrong. Hopefully these religions evolve, soon, but they went through the same thing with civil rights and don't notice the hilarious irony that they are bigots too so I'm not expecting much.

 

[Skwim]

This is a classic axample of how Bible verse becomes corrupted. In the KJV of the Bible verse 19 says "A false witness that speaketh lies and he that soweth discord among brethren"

A few points.

• "That" can also be used to indicate a person.

• in claiming that "false witness" refers to the lie itself, the phrase would then read, "a lie pours out lies." Make sense to you? Is such nonsense worthy of inclusion in an important list of god's hates?

• The verb "speaketh" indicates a person; lies don't "speak" things. Humans do. And if one were to claim that "speaketh" is a figure of speech, then the question arises of why would god use such a device for this one item? Why say what one means in all other cases, but then switch to a metaphor for lying? And a metaphor that is nonsensical: "a lie pours out lies." or "a lie speaketh lies."

Moreover, a person, "he," is clearly indicted in the very same sentence, which gives further credence to the fact that the speaker of lies is a person. And this use of "he" in the last part of the sentence unequivocally indicates a person is hated by god: "and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."So, even if the speaker of lies was not a person, which is clearly not the case, the stirrer of dissension certainly is.
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A synonym of abhor is to hate but "to shrink back from and shudder at" is also a definition of abhor. It is interesting that of the seven things noted the only one in which the expression is changed from hate to abhor is the one that makes reference to and individual and not just the act.

"Abhor"? Where did that come from?

Nope. Despite your protestations and tap dancing, God clearly does hate some people.

 

[Skwim]

Why are some religious people so hateful toward Gay People?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say it's because they hate gay people. Just a wild guess.

Of course. The Bible simply gives them the comfort of validation. "My hate is valid because the Bible says homosexuals are worthy of it." Not saying this is a valid interpretation, but simply one some Christians make.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why use a religion for an excuse to bash gay people? Doesn't it make more sense to be friendly and welcoming toward gay people if one's religion is truly the "only way" to be saved? Being mean towards gay people and condemning us will only push us away from the salvation such religions claim to offer. Why do some use religion like this?

I'm not convinced that those who use religion to bash gay people are really concerned with their salvation at all, despite paying lip-service to the idea of wanting everyone to be saved.

You are wrong. Homosexuality is nothing new and yes, investing in marriage has but one purpose, to ensure a strong society. It may be that our government cares not about anybody having children but it does care about the children that do come and it really is mindless rhetoric to say something other than the natural order of both God and nature is best for children. It is what has made humankind strong.

And marriage is stronger still when same-sex couples are able to enter into it.

Same-sex marriage does nothing at all to weaken opposite-sex-parented families, while at the same time strengthening same-sex-parented families.

It's the alternative, i.e. leaving children of same-sex couples without the normal, basic legal protections our society affords to families, that attacks the family unit that our society is based upon.

 

[kejos]

But some religions' true ways included despising homosexuality/homosexuals.

One does not need to be at all religious to think homosexuality unnatural and unwelcome.

 

[no-body]

One does not need to be at all religious to think homosexuality unnatural and unwelcome.

You would have to be pretty stupid, since homosexuality occurs in nature all the time.

 

[kejos]

homosexuality occurs in nature all the time.

That's a modern myth; and for humans to consider modelling their behavior on animals is hardly an encouraging development.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's a modern myth;

No, it's not. It's a fact based on real observation.

and for humans to consider modelling their behavior on animals is hardly an encouraging development.

Given your last post in the thread, I nominate this for most hypocritical statement of the day.

 

[AaronG]

Why use a religion for an excuse to bash gay people? Doesn't it make more sense to be friendly and welcoming toward gay people if one's religion is truly the "only way" to be saved? Being mean towards gay people and condemning us will only push us away from the salvation such religions claim to offer. Why do some use religion like this?

I think that one reason is because "religious" people don't realize just how sinful they, personally, are. It's easy to see the sins of others but be blind to our own.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

That's a modern myth; and for humans to consider modelling their behavior on animals is hardly an encouraging development.

No modelling necessary. We are animals.

 

[kejos]

No, it's not. It's a fact based on real observation.

'Real observation' here means scientists scouring the animal world for abnormal behavior!

 

[kejos]

No modelling necessary. We are animals.

Why, then, is there such a thing as murder? Or is there no such thing as murder?

 

[Skwim]

One does not need to be at all religious to think homosexuality unnatural and unwelcome.

No one doesn't. Just as you don't need religion to tell you to kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own, but you have Deuteronomy 13:6-10 doing just that. Nor do you need the Bible to tell you to shun those who disagree with your religious views, but Romans 16:17 tells you anyway.

 

[kejos]

No one doesn't. Just as you don't need religion to tell you to kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own, but you have Deuteronomy 13:6-10 doing just that. Nor do you need the Bible to tell you to shun those who disagree with your religious views, but Romans 16:17 tells you anyway.

So is the campaign to establish homosexual rights and values really an antiChristian movement?

 

[Skwim]

So is the campaign to establish homosexual rights and values really an antiChristian movement?

Not that I've seen. What's your point?

 

[Autodidact]

history has demonstrated that a mother and father together produce the most emotionally balanced offspring then government would have no vested interest in personal relationships at all.

Just wanted to point out that this is a false statement.