Why are there many Fundamentalist Muslims...

[Sahar]

Why are there many Fundamentalist Muslims on RF? :run:

I read more than once the expression of the sentiment that most of RF Muslims are fundamentalists and as if this is an unfortunate thing. :cover:

 

[Sahar]

I can see many Westerners don't expect others to follow and adhere to their religions and when they do they are given the label of fundamentalism that is supposed to be a negative classification. So either you abandon your Islam or you are a "fundamentalist"!

 

[maro]

I strongly dislike the term too ,not4me...because of the connotation that the *fundamentals* of the religion are necesicarily extreme and backward and have to be abandoned for us to be *moderates*

I dislike most of the terminology used by the media to classify islam...i can't tell if they are well fitted for chrisitinaity...but i can't swallow using them with islam

"liberal" "progressive" "traditionalist" "fundamentalist " "radical "...blabla

They probably don't grasp thr idea that islam is a religion of moderation in its very fundamentals..and that all we need is to probably understand and apply those fundamentals to be the most tolerant ,moderate and open minded muslims EVER....and that Extremisim is the deviation ,not the fundamental path.....the exception ,not the rule

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Respectfully, though I am not a Muslim I have read the Quran many times (as well as the christian bible), and I agree that 'fundamentalist' is a useless description for Islam, and the negative baggage that name (fundamentalist) carry's with it doesn't fit.

The christian bible is a collection of ambiguous stories from many different authors, and to follow everything written therein to the letter (which makes you a fundamentalist) is rather insane. Christianity needs a good deal of interpretation and rationalization to be a tenable and internally coherent belief system.

The Quran, on the other hand is a much more specific set of instructions and has one source, and thus remains internally coherent, and requires no interpretation or rationalization to practice.

I think the problem is that most westerners have never opened a Quran and just assume it's the same thing as christianity.

I apologize if this post is out of place here, I just wanted to make that point for Islam.

 

[Sahar]

I strongly dislike the term too ,not4me...because of the connotation that the *fundamentals* of the religion are necesicarily extreme and backward and have to be abandoned for us to be *moderates*

I dislike most of the terminology used by the media to classify islam...i can't tell if they are well fitted for chrisitinaity...but i can't swallow using them with islam

"liberal" "progressive" "traditionalist" "fundamentalist " "radical "...blabla

They probably don't grasp thr idea that islam is a religion of moderation in its very fundamentals..and that all we need is to probably understand and apply those fundamentals to be the most tolerant ,moderate and open minded muslims EVER....and that Extremisim is the deviation ,not the fundamental path.....the exception ,not the rule

"Religious Fundamentalism" is relevant in a secular atmosphere at which religion is not expected to have a say in the public arena. And Christianity is the relevant religion here, after it went into a process of secularization so Christians are expected to keep their religion at home, private, if it came outside then you are a nasty "Christian fundamentalist". The term is being generalized to include Muslims. But it has no weight or significance because of what you said, maro, and because secularism is basically inconsistent with the Islamic society. When it is used with Islam and Muslims, I actually don't see it as something degrading anyway.

 

[ruhnafsoul]

forgive me brothers / sisters..
I just wonder how do U consider a muslim as "fundamentalist muslim"..?
Do we have many kind of muslim..? or is it just a 'term' to describe people..?
As to my knowledge, there is only one Islam.. and it shall be only muslims, mukmins and muhsinins..
And shall we classify others.. ?..

 

[LuisDantas]

So, is it inherent to Islam to aim for a Quranic-driven government and institutions?

If so, to what degree? Would it be improper in some way for a Muslim not to want, say, that all courts of law in his country to explicitly sanctioned by Muslim priests?

 

[Sahar]

Hello Luis,

So, is it inherent to Islam to aim for a Quranic-driven government and institutions?

Yes. So what are all the Islamic teachings that are concerned with the society, the government, economics, military etc about?

If so, to what degree? Would it be improper in some way for a Muslim not to want, say, that all courts of law in his country to explicitly sanctioned by Muslim priests?

I have an objection on the usage of "Muslim priests". The laws and the systems will be the product of an integrated effort between people who understand and are specialized in the different fields of the worldly life and those who are specialized in the study of Islamic jurisprudence. And the government is basically not supposed to be operated by priests but by those who understand politics. Yet, they are bound by the Islamic values.
If he want to say that he believes in and calls for a secular state, okay but basically this contradicts the Islamic view. Actually there are many Muslims who call for a secular political system and who form political parties to support and work for their secular ideas.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I am just curious, why do many Muslims come into western countries where they know we're secular and push for Sharia law here?

 

[DeitySlayer]

Just to throw my thoughts into this:

I think the use of the word 'fundamentalists' to describe Muslim terrorists and fear-mongering pyschopaths is completely wrong. Nowhere in the fundamentals of the Qu'ran does it say 'kill innocent women and children' or 'cover women from head to toe and don't let them be educated'. These people are crazed murderers, not fundamentalist Muslims.