Why are they ignoring the persecution of Christians?

[Saint Frankenstein]

What is it you were "saying" if not to ignore the places where Christians are most persecuting group?

Exactly what "persecution" is going on in the US? Hmm. I don't think you know what persecution is. It's the same as has how the concepts of racism, sexism and even rape have been cheapened and stretched beyond meaning.

 

[McBell]

Thanks for being an exhibit of what I'm talking about. Moving on.

No, thank you so much for so thoroughly demonstrating this post of mine:

Given the number of Christians I have interacted with who believe that they have to be "persecuted" in order to be a "true Christian©®"...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You made a claim that you flat refused to support.
That means your claim can be ignored for the bold empty claim it is.

So yeah, you really should move on...

Are you okay? You asked me where someone denied that Christians are being persecuted and I showed you an example. Now you ignore it and are trying to wave away what I say without responding to it. What's your problem today?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If we look at places like certain countries in Africa, Middle East, and Asia, it's there. Often at the hands of Muslims.

Sure. Like I said: it's rare. It does happen sometimes, but not often.

But Christians have certainly played their role and have not acted to end the cycles of butchery and vengeance.

Christianity also has a bunch of weird things going on, depending on the denomination.

We often get Christians who latch onto the idea of persecution as a mark of faith or God's approval, so it can cause a real crisis of faith to not be a suffering martyr for Christ. As a consequence, they feel the need to point to anything - even if it doesn't actually involve any hardship at all - so they can say "the Bible said the faithful would be persecuted for their faith, and I'm 'persecuted,' so my faith is genuine."

There's also a strong thread through some branches of Christianity that they're meant to be in charge, or at least be able to impose themselves on non-Christian or have their religion acknowledged as special.

For these people, not being able to install a theocracy or finding out that their proselytizing is unwelcomed counts as "persecution."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's American fundie Prot crap, for the most part. We need to have a global view of things.

Globally it tends to be geographically confined to where we see actual persecution and not this silly and obscene martyrdom complex. And these places tend to be a mess of sectarian and generational combat and hostilities. Like how fighting in the Middle East has never stopped, not even after centuries of Christians, Jews, and Muslims taking turns being the butcherers and the butchered.
Most of the world it's not happening. In tje West Christians themselves remain on the main persecutors amd bringers of grief to others.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure. Like I said: it's rare. It does happen sometimes, but not often.


Christianity also has a bunch of weird things going on, depending on the denomination.

We often get Christians who latch onto the idea of persecution as a mark of faith or God's approval, so it can cause a real crisis of faith to not be a suffering martyr for Christ. As a consequence, they feel the need to point to anything - even if it doesn't actually involve any hardship at all - so they can say "the Bible said the faithful would be persecuted for their faith, and I'm 'persecuted,' so my faith is genuine."

There's also a strong thread through some branches of Christianity that they're meant to be in charge, or at least be able to impose themselves on non-Christian or have their religion acknowledged as special.

For these people, not being able to install a theocracy or finding out that their proselytizing is unwelcomed counts as "persecution."

That largely sums up the Christianity I was brought up into.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm about to leave this thread. I'm not going to be dogpiled and insulted. No one cares, that's obvious. Many are just here to bash religions, anyway. Have fun. I'm sick of it. Civil, mature discussion is dead.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting but not precisely indipendent.

This puts Judaism as the most persecuted
Religious persecution - Wikipedia

This explains how right wing christian media have misrepresented the findings if various surveys
Are Christians the Most Persecuted Religion? Pew Report on Religious Harassment By L. Arik Greenberg, Ph.D. - World Religion News

Having said that, yes there are several countries where being christian can be a danger to health.

As the world's biggest religion, and since one can find persecution of all religions somewhere around the world, I suppose there might be a valid claim that Christianity is the world's most persecuted religion. But that is not a very honest way to approach the problem of religious persecution. On a per capita basis there is no doubt that Judaism is the world's most persecuted religion.

Persecution is a threat to the religion of Judaism. To Christianity it is not a threat at all.

 

[ChristineM]

As the world's biggest religion, and since one can find persecution of all religions somewhere around the world, I suppose there might be a valid claim that Christianity is the world's most persecuted religion. But that is not a very honest way to approach the problem of religious persecution. On a per capita basis there is no doubt that Judaism is the world's most persecuted religion.

Persecution is a threat to the religion of Judaism. To Christianity it is not a threat at all.

That's precisely it, what the right wing christian media has jumped on with their cry for sympathy.

I personally think that the amount of persecution christianity has metered out over 2000 years, they have a considerable amount of gall to start crying when turnabout hits them

 

[The Hammer]

Exactly what "persecution" is going on in the US? Hmm.

Abortion rights in the south come to mind.

Conversion therapy too.

And while that may not be "persecution" as you'd like to define it. It is still attacking and belittling differing viewpoints, from the sole premise that only their views are correct.

Edit: I'm, also, in no way saying there aren't places where Christians are persecuted. Only that starting to cry about what little persecution there is occuring, compared to the amount of persecution they pushed on others for thousands of years, smells like the "Pot calling the kettle black". Which is why no one will take the claim seriously.

 

[Augustus]

Sure. Like I said: it's rare. It does happen sometimes, but not often.

That's quite a naive view.

It happens a lot in many countries from South East Asian, South Asia, North, East and West Africa to the Middle East.

Bombings, beheading, communal violence, forced conversions, state sanctioned discrimination, etc.

Tens, if not hundreds, of millions of Christians around the world live in fear for their safety or exist as second class citizens.

 

[Augustus]

No one cares, that's obvious. Many are just here to bash religions, anyway.

It's amazing* to see liberal "humanists" desperate to downplay if not outright excuse oppression and extremist violence against mostly poor people across the developing world simply because some Christians in the west made them sad once or something.

*by that I mean perfectly predictable

 

[Psalm23]

Does the Bible say anything about why Christians are or will be persecuted during the history, or present, future?

If we are in the end times (as many people do think) can this be a reason why Christians but also people from other religions are persecuted? And not to forget that also Atheists have a hard time now.

John 15:18-21 speaks on some reasons for persecution among Christians.

Oftentimes people considered different are put down and bullied. This goes for anyone regardless of religion. We can fight against bullying by showing and teaching love and understanding and by taking a stand when someone is treated wrongly.

 

[wellwisher]

You have valid evidence of persecution? A couple of links may be useful

One possible source of evidence would be to count all the insults and propaganda undermining toward religion on this forum. There is always someone who tries to undermine somebody's faith. We can then compare the number of Christianity insults with all the rest of the religions. Christianity is the main target of these groups. There far more undermining attacks on Jesus than on Buddha or Muhammad.

In the USA, there is an attack on religion, in general. This is done mostly by leftist in government and media. They also tend to target Christianity more than others. Most of the lawsuits about separation of church and state go after Chrisian traditions such as Christmas displays in publics areas. It is taboo to wish someone Merry Christmas based on pressure from the PC police. The other religions are not targeted the same way. The other religions tend to be targeted in pockets, by some unhealthy individuals. The organized assault with money goes after Christianity.

In the US government, the vast majority of employees are leftist. The bureaucratic swamp is left wing; lifetime employees. People on the right are more entrepreneurial and tend to seek jobs in the private sector. This means career positions in the diplomat corp tend to be leftist, and they will not do anything about those who attack Christians, such as in some Muslim countries in Africa. Fake news which is mostly leftist, will not report this or dwell on it, since it does not go against their program.

 

[MJ Bailey]

Just from existence of basic human understanding, do you really think it matters what religion (or non-religion) you belong to? For some serious messed up infraction people feel that if you don't have the same mind set as themselves there is an absolute wrong. Does it really matter what you believe in aside from the betterment of humanity reguar4dless of rather or not you believe in God or Gods? If there has ever been any belief system that has not been criticized by another, that would be something nonexistent (of course unless not shared with others). Really think about it; if you are willing to help and perpetuate humanity without need of desecrations, what's the problem? With the way our own species treats each other just for not being "exact" there is no wonder why so many species are depleted from Earth, and even more surprising that We have not yet depleted Ourselves.

 

[Spirit of Light]

John 15:18-21 speaks on some reasons for persecution among Christians.

Oftentimes people considered different are put down and bullied. This goes for anyone regardless of religion. We can fight against bullying by showing and teaching love and understanding and by taking a stand when someone is treated wrongly.

I admit i have not read much in the bible the last 20 years, but the bible qoutes you linked made a lot of sense to me thank you for sharing it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's amazing* to see liberal "humanists" desperate to downplay if not outright excuse oppression and extremist violence against mostly poor people across the developing world simply because some Christians in the west made them sad once or something.

*by that I mean perfectly predictable

Not only that, but these are ancient ethnic/cultural communities. In the Middle East, the ancient Christian communities tend to be the remnant of the indigenous people of those lands, such as the Copts in Egypt being the native Egyptians (and who are terribly persecuted). So it really shows their hypocrisy. Claiming to care about the vulnerable and native peoples but acting apathetic and even relishing it when they have the "wrong religion".

 

[ChristineM]

One possible source of evidence would be to count all the insults and propaganda undermining toward religion on this forum.

I see far more attacks on islam and atheism. And have often been the target of such attacks.

In the USA, there is an attack on religion, in general. This is done mostly by leftist in government and media. They also tend to target Christianity more than others

Try being a Muslim in America.

Most of the lawsuits about separation of church and state go after Chrisian traditions such as Christmas displays in publics areas.

Yes and. If America was a christian country there would be no problem, unfortunately for Christianity you have a constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion

It is taboo to wish someone Merry Christmas based on pressure from the PC police.

You have a problem because you cannot insult those who don't believe in christianity?

The other religions are not targeted the same way.

As i said. Try being a Muslim... Or god forbid, an atheist in the bible belt states

In the US government, the vast majority of employees are leftist.

Employment is open to all

People on the right are more entrepreneurial and tend to seek jobs in the private sector.

And there is your answer, the right don't want to serve the people but grab what they can for themselves and screw the country.

Fake news which is mostly leftist,

. You can say that after 4 years of trump. Wow, just wow.


BTW, american accounts for less than 5% of world population and a fair chunk of Americans are not christian. Leaving the numbers pretty insignificant

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's quite a naive view.

Aww. And I put such a high value on your opinion. I'm crushed.

It happens a lot in many countries from South East Asian, South Asia, North, East and West Africa to the Middle East. Bombings, beheading, communal violence, forced conversions, state sanctioned discrimination, etc.

Define "a lot."

As a benchmark: do you think Christans suffer all this more or less than Christians inflict it on others?

Tens, if not hundreds, of millions of Christians around the world live in fear for their safety or exist as second class citizens.

Meh. As an atheist, I'm technically a second-class citizen here in Canada. This doesn't make me persecuted.

If being a Christian living in an officially Muslim country makes someone "persecuted," then I'm sure you would agree that non-Christians living in officially Christian countries are also persecuted, right?

 

[Kooky]

Currently, Christians are indeed the most persecuted group in the world

They really are not.