I blame English. The language sucks.
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Why are you interested in debating?
- Thread starter Cureus
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I blame English. The language sucks.
I completely agree. I'm a language skeptic too. I'm interested in piecing together the puzzle of what people mean. The words are just clues. Sometimes words are just slogans memorized by rote to protect the ego. Finding meaning in there often calls for a sledgehammer approach.
Heh. Fun semi-off-topic fact: the word "cloud" was originally a metaphorical analogy; the Old English word properly meant "hillside". The "proper" word for cloud, if it had survived to Modern English, might be "wolk", based on my VERY amateur research.
Hence why any good debate requires defining terms, particularly abstract ones like those used in religious topics (including the word "religion" itself).
Debating has helped me develop my vocabulary, and learn how to differentiate my personal definitions from those with whom I'm debating. I have to be very careful in that regard. ^_^
"Fluffy bunny?" I once saw a cloud that looked like a giant raven spreading its wings, and half the clouds I see always look like dragon heads. "That's no ordinary rabbit!"
Draka
Wonder Woman
Hmmm...Perhaps the true Rorschach test should be conducted with cloud watching. I wonder what your answers reveal about you...as we all know all clouds are bunnies! :bunny:
Secret Chief
Very strong language
Secret Chief
Very strong language
I think the technical term would be "horribly non-persuasive."
OK, that sounds less confrontational!
Alceste
Vagabond
A sub-category of "not persuasive".
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
For me personally there are a few reasons which depend on the subject.
Generally I use it as an opportunaity to plant a seed of information and give my point of view. I dont really do it to wind but try to educate people on a smaller scale.
Completely off-topic validation & vindication of your well-done, self-described "amateur research"
"Etymology: In the sense rock, hill Old English had clúd (masculine), early Middle English clūd , later cloud ; and this also occurs in Middle English in the sense clod (which may actually be as old or older than 1). The current sense, 3, is found first in end of 13th cent. and is apparently the same word, applied to a cumulus in the sky. Old English clúd was on Old Germanic type *klûdo-z (pre-Germanic type *glūˈto -) < same root as clod n., the original sense being mass formed by agglomeration, cumulus. In Scots the vowel was shortened at an early date, giving clud(now /klʌd/ ).
I. Obsolete senses.
1. A mass of rock; a hill.
c893 tr. Orosius Hist. vi. ii, Cludas feollon of muntum.
c1000 Ælfric Gram. (Z.) ix. xxvii. 53 Rupes, clud.
c1000 Ælfric Gram. (Z.) ix. xxviii. 55 Collis, beorh oððe clud.
?c1200 Ormulum (Burchfield transcript) l. 2656 Ȝho..for anan. Vpp inn till heȝhe cludess.
a1250 Owl & Nightingale 1001 Cnarres and cludes.
c1275 (▸?a1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1978) l. 15914 Þat folc..wuneden in þe cluden.
c1275 (▸?a1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1978) l. 10948 Heo ut of cluden..comen [c1300 Otho hii cropen vt of cloudes].
c1275 (▸?a1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1963) l. 4338 Swiðe wes þe hul bi-clused mid cludes of stane.
a130040 Cursor M. 22695 Þe cludes [v.r. cloudes, clodes] to þe se sal rin For to hid þam þar-in.
c1000 Ælfric Gram. (Z.) ix. xxvii. 53 Rupes, clud.
c1000 Ælfric Gram. (Z.) ix. xxviii. 55 Collis, beorh oððe clud.
?c1200 Ormulum (Burchfield transcript) l. 2656 Ȝho..for anan. Vpp inn till heȝhe cludess.
a1250 Owl & Nightingale 1001 Cnarres and cludes.
c1275 (▸?a1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1978) l. 15914 Þat folc..wuneden in þe cluden.
c1275 (▸?a1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1978) l. 10948 Heo ut of cluden..comen [c1300 Otho hii cropen vt of cloudes].
c1275 (▸?a1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1963) l. 4338 Swiðe wes þe hul bi-clused mid cludes of stane.
a130040 Cursor M. 22695 Þe cludes [v.r. cloudes, clodes] to þe se sal rin For to hid þam þar-in.
2. A consolidated mass of earth or clay, = clod n. 2, 3a, 3b."
c1325 in G. L. Brook Harley Lyrics (1968) 44 Wormes woweþ vnder cloude.
c1460 Cov. Myst. 402 Surgentes dicant, Ha! a! a! cleve asunder ȝe clowdys of clay.
c1460 Cov. Myst. 402 Surgentes dicant, Ha! a! a! cleve asunder ȝe clowdys of clay.
What principle do we not realize?
1. I like to test my thinking for flaws. Sometimes to another poster those flaws are more obvious.
2. I get to practice my discussion skills. It's a benefit in writing and meetings to be able to clearly express yourself.
3. Entertainment and learning the POV of others.
outhouse
Atheistically
Your taking a rather closed minded approach.
Is it based on biblical ignorance?
I would agree, ignorance debating ignorance is a waist of time. But not everyone is ignorant, and education can be had if one keeps am open mind.
Not everyone is so closed mined that information is not shared.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I like to observe all the ways people engage in cognitive bias, all the ways they delude themselves into thinking it doesn't apply to them, and using this information to better understand people, how their minds work, and how to best influence them using the best means given a particular goal.