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Why Are You Not an Atheist?

Audie

Veteran Member
World. Everyone has a part to play. Everyone matters. But no one is the center of it all.

Matters to what? Wondering what you have in mind.

Our actions have all manner of consequences, ripplimg
outwards and thru time. Is that what you mean?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
So atheism involves no thought processes at all?

Cant solve a math problem without variables.

Yes, you can talk about the supposed answer and beat around the bush over what-if, philosophize, theorize, and faith their could be, etc. At the end, you need concrete variables so that your answer can be observed and experienced and solved by all.

There needs to be information to which our thoughts can process first; so, no. There are none. There are in theism, though, because you have information/variables to which you can draw your individual conclusions about god(s). Atheists dont have that "advantage".

carry on.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Matters to what? Wondering what you have in mind.

Our actions have all manner of consequences, ripplimg
outwards and thru time. Is that what you mean?
Partly. But we all matter to each other, to the environment around us. We impact the world around us and are part of the world around us.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
But circumstantial or soft evidence is still evidence. If you have people telling you that Ted wanted to kill Fred and had the means and motive to do so, maybe Ted did kill Fred.
Evidence are just facts that can establish the premises of the argument for a conclusion.

In that sense of "evidence," it's very common to have evidence for false conclusions: you may be able to establish the vast majority of the premises for your argument but still be missing a couple of key pieces that make all the difference.

And you have to remember that evidence will also work against your conclusion, too: for instance, if Ted is only 1 of 10 people who said they wanted to kill Fred, then this fact also supports 9 different ways to conclude that Ted didn't do it.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
So atheism involves no thought processes at all?
FYI: I think it's worth pointing out that I see @Nakosis 's statement that "atheists have no beliefs" is nonsense.

A more accurate way of putting it is that atheism requires no beliefs. But yes: atheism requires no thought processes at all.

Now... it's possible to hold beliefs on top of atheism that are incompatible with theism, but this is separate from whether a person is an atheist.

Anyone who believes in at least one god is a theist; anyone else is an atheist. That's it. While atheists don't have to explicitly reject the existence of some god or other, they also don't get "disqualified" from atheism if they do.
 
Cant solve a math problem without variables.

Yes, you can talk about the supposed answer and beat around the bush over what-if, philosophize, theorize, and faith their could be, etc. At the end, you need concrete variables so that your answer can be observed and experienced and solved by all.

There needs to be information to which our thoughts can process first; so, no. There are none. There are in theism, though, because you have information/variables to which you can draw your individual conclusions about god(s). Atheists dont have that "advantage".

carry on.
But atheism is still an "ism", how can it be an "ism" if there is no belief in regards to or about the gods at all? "No beliefs" is nihilism, isn't it?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
ism
  1. a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
But atheism is still an "ism", how can it be an "ism" if there is no belief in regards to or about the gods at all? "No beliefs" is nihilism, isn't it?

Its a bit easier when using english grammar.

theism is believe in god(s).

a- (predix) when put before some words means "without." For example, a moral or amoral means without morals.

So theism means belief in gods.

Atheism means without (or lack of) belief in gods.

Nihilism means rejection of all religious and religious principles as meaningless. It has nothing to do with gods just rejection of religious beliefs in general.

As for explaining "ism" thats a convo in its own. But the recap is theism means believe in gods and atheism means without belief in gods. Nihilism has nothing to do with a specific theist religion it just applies to religions in general.
 
Its a bit easier when using english grammar.

theism is believe in god(s).

a- (predix) when put before some words means "without." For example, a moral or amoral means without morals.

So theism means belief in gods.

Atheism means without (or lack of) belief in gods.

Nihilism means rejection of all religious and religious principles as meaningless. It has nothing to do with gods just rejection of religious beliefs in general.

As for explaining "ism" thats a convo in its own. But the recap is theism means believe in gods and atheism means without belief in gods. Nihilism has nothing to do with a specific theist religion it just applies to religions in general.
That is a rather unique definition of nihilism.
 
That is a rather unique definition of -ism, or
"a belief"

As in,u unsupported by anything other than
your opinion.
That is what a belief is, it is an opinion. And atheism as well as theism are nothing more than opinions. Or can you provide proof or evidence elsewise?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You cannot support your (false) claim about
"ism". Personal opinions dont count, unless you
are Humpty Dumpty.

-ism does not mean "a belief".

Kind of like how "glory" does not mean, "a nice knock down argument".
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
I'm not trying to imply that there are no reason for being a theist.
And I think we've discussed often enough atheist's reason for being an atheist. However I'd be happy to explain for myself why.

I'm just curious what folks feel justifies their theism. What knowledge a person personally has to justify a belief in God.


I'm a Calvinist.

I was picked by the Father from before the foundation of the universe.

I knew the Lord from when i was still in the womb.

Solar and lunar eclipses can only happen 14 days apart.

"The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood BEFORE the great and terrible day of the Lord.

"immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light.​

Try counting the days in between:

(O)14(o) <-------AND-------> (O)14(o),

You will come up with numbers that look like these:

(O)14(o) <------------1588------------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <----------1550----------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <---------1372---------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <--------1209--------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <------1195------> (O)14(o)

I guess in God's economy of Biblical numbers, it's possible that the 18 prophetic time periods from His Holy Word could coincidentally compare with other specifications of items that He also created like: the Sun, the Earth and the Moon.

It could still be called a coincidence that this 1372 day slot in the solar and lunar cycle seems to line up so well with numbers written in the book of Daniel 2600 years ago.

<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

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"But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,​

Peaceful rest of the Sabbath.
 
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