Why aren't the creationists being charged?

[rusra02]

There are literally thousands or more genes in our DNA that don't work.

We share 22 unique endogenous retroviral genes with the chimpanzees. One, very peculiar one has to do with c-vitamin synthesis. Humans (and chimps) have to eat fruit to get C. All other animals (except 3 other species for other genetic reasons) have to consume things with C vitamin to get it. Our gene is malfunctioning because of the ERV. And we have the exact same modification ("mis-spelling" of gene) that the chimps have. The only way to get that is to share mom and dad at some point. We both come from a common donor that had this malfunction. How is that for a design that accomplish it's purpose?

Boy, that is a giant leap to an unwarranted conclusion. The so-called "junk" DNA code has been shown to have functions necessary for life. The same Creator who made the chimp, the mouse (with whom we also share similar DNA), and the banana (yep, we share half the banana's DNA), created mankind as well. It should not seem strange if the same materials and algorithms were used by the master Designer.
Interesting to me, the Bible reveals we are far from what God created us to be. "Sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men." (Romans 5:12) I believe the harm done by man's rebellion created defects of all sorts within us. So I am not surprised if genes are defective in us. Animals, on the other hand, were not created to live forever. (2 Peter 2:12)

 

[Looncall]

So, is it your position that the Windows operating system needed an intelligent designer and programmer, but the vastly more complex and superior programming in DNA did not? That is the real import behind Mr. Gate's statement, IMO. Knowledge stored in any encoded way, whether written words, Morse code, C++, or DNA demands an intelligent source.
I also believe evolutionists charge of quote-mining is simply a ploy to keep inconvenient facts (to evolution) from being distributed.

I do not agree that storage of information requires intelligence. What is needed is a storage system that undergoes editting under some sort of influence. With evolution, the environment does the editting and the genome provides the modifiable storage. No guy-in-the-sky intelligence is needed.

Quote mining is detestable dishonesty no matter who does it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So, is it your position that the Windows operating system needed an intelligent designer and programmer, but the vastly more complex and superior programming in DNA did not?

It's my position that simple systems, such as the combination of inheritance, random mutation, and natural selection, can have complex effects, such as DNA.

BTW: Windows didn't need AN intelligent designer and programmer... it needed many. And then many more intelligent agents on top of that to coordinate the work. How does that fit into your analogy?

That is the real import behind Mr. Gate's statement, IMO. Knowledge stored in any encoded way, whether written words, Morse code, C++, or DNA demands an intelligent source.

No, it's not. It was a quick nod to the fact that biology has interesting nuances. It was one offhand comment in a speech about the value of science by someone who admits that he doesn't know that much about biology and now maybe regrets not studying it more.

I also believe evolutionists charge of quote-mining is simply a ploy to keep inconvenient facts (to evolution) from being distributed.

Then I don't think you understand how logical arguments work. Nobody's stopping you from presenting a claim and supporting it with valid evidence.

These quote-mining tactics, even if they were honestly representing what the person being quoted said, would still be fallacious. It's not correct to argue that your position is correct just because some respected person speaking outside his area of expertise agrees with you. This is appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy... even when the person really does agree with you and isn't being misrepresented.

 

[Ouroboros]

Surely you are not comparing the elegant design of DNA to the spaghetti code produced by human programmers.

The elegant design of DNA? Uhm... Can you describe exactly which part is so elegant with it? Can you also explain how copy errors are elegant?

And even spaghetti code requires an intelligent designer.

Sure.

And spaghetti code can be made to produce other software. You can create software that creates software according to evolutionary algorithms, even spaghetti versions. So an intelligent programmer can do far better and more advanced and complex and elegant than your God. Either your God is incompetent or you have to change your view of God and accept that God can also program evolutionary algorithms.

Regarding the program or genome to produce a human, It is about three billion “letters,” or nucleotides (bases), long. If it were transcribed onto paper, the book would fill 200 volumes the size of a 1,000-page telephone book, according to the Human Genome Project. Yet, DNA is so efficiently packaged that it is estimated one gram of DNA has the storage capacity of a trillion compact discs (CDs). The evidence for an intelligent Designer grows with increasing scientific discoveries, IMO.

You didn't read anything of what I wrote. That's what it's so annoying to talk to you. You glance over and completely ignore the answers you get. I will put you back on ignore and not respond to you until you are starting to actually pay attention to what people are saying.

 

[Ouroboros]

Boy, that is a giant leap to an unwarranted conclusion. The so-called "junk" DNA code has been shown to have functions necessary for life.

Uh. The C-vitamin gene is not a "junk" gene. It's coding, but it produces a corrupt C-vitamin. The C-vitamin we are producing in our body isn't used for anything. It's just goes through our system. It doesn't work. It doesn't do what it supposed to do. It doesn't fall under the term "junk DNA". I don't know what term would be used for a gene that produces unviable proteins, but that's what it does.

The same Creator who made the chimp, the mouse (with whom we also share similar DNA), and the banana (yep, we share half the banana's DNA), created mankind as well. It should not seem strange if the same materials and algorithms were used by the master Designer.

Oh. I got you to start using the term "algorithm". To bad you don't know what it means or how I used it in my argument.

Basically, you're claiming that God intentionally gave us a corrupt C-vitamin producing gene that doesn't produce C-vitamin but produced an unviable protein that our body can't use, and then he did the exact same for the chimps, but for no other animal. In all other animals, he gave them a viable gene instead. Wow... what a great designer you have there...

Interesting to me, the Bible reveals we are far from what God created us to be. "Sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men." (Romans 5:12) I believe the harm done by man's rebellion created defects of all sorts within us. So I am not surprised if genes are defective in us. Animals, on the other hand, were not created to live forever. (2 Peter 2:12)

The defect was created by a virus, long, long time ago. We all have the same defect. And chimps has the exact same defect. We have 22 exact same defect with the chimps. And on top of that, we share hundreds of transposons with the chimps. And we share other transposons, wider spectrum the further back you go in the evolutionary heritage. It's a historical code. It's a form of time stamps. In your God's DNA code is the heritage stored, and it tells us that we are related to the animals and all life is related to each other. So much for intelligent design when the designer intentionally put in a trace code that shows you the heritage and the evidence for evolution!

Anyway, now I won't answer you anymore. You better start reading peoples' posts before there's any use of discussing with you.

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By the way, here's a link where you can download a copy of the complete human genome: http://hgdownload.cse.ucsc.edu/goldenPath/hg38/bigZips/
It's about 700 MB. So you can easily fit it on a thumb drive.

Here's the website (USCS.edu) where you can download, not only human, but other genomes from other species: http://hgdownload.cse.ucsc.edu/downloads.html

 

[allright]

I do not agree that storage of information requires intelligence. What is needed is a storage system that undergoes editting under some sort of influence. With evolution, the environment does the editting and the genome provides the modifiable storage. No guy-in-the-sky intelligence is needed.

Quote mining is detestable dishonesty no matter who does it.

Define what you mean by enviroment and show how it does the editing

 

[rusra02]

I do not agree that storage of information requires intelligence. What is needed is a storage system that undergoes editting under some sort of influence. With evolution, the environment does the editting and the genome provides the modifiable storage. No guy-in-the-sky intelligence is needed.

Quote mining is detestable dishonesty no matter who does it.

But where does the information that is stored come from? Or the "environment" for that matter? And how does an encoding system far superior, infinitely superior, to any designed by intelligent humans just happen? It is evident to me that the truth is "Jehovah is truly God. He is the living God and the eternal King. He is the Maker of the earth by his power, The One who established the productive land by his wisdom And who stretched out the heavens by his understanding." (Jeremiah 10:10,12) True science is finding evidence of such wisdom, power, and understanding as they study the things God created.

 

[Looncall]

Define what you mean by enviroment and show how it does the editing

The environment is whatever influences whether an organism survives and reproduces, given its characteristics. For example, a cold region makes it difficult for animals lacking fur to survive. The environment includes other organisms.

Editting occurs when the organisms vary in their characteristics and, as above, those suited to the environment persist while the rest do not.

 

[Looncall]

But where does the information that is stored come from? Or the "environment" for that matter? And how does an encoding system far superior, infinitely superior, to any designed by intelligent humans just happen? It is evident to me that the truth is "Jehovah is truly God. He is the living God and the eternal King. He is the Maker of the earth by his power, The One who established the productive land by his wisdom And who stretched out the heavens by his understanding." (Jeremiah 10:10,12) True science is finding evidence of such wisdom, power, and understanding as they study the things God created.

To answer your questions: stuff happens. Fortunate stuff persists.

Your twaddle about "far superior" is just emotional nonsense.

It's evidently nice for you that you believe those things. Enjoy. Nothing of the kind is evident to me. I do not acknowledge the bible as having any authority at all, so I am unmoved by your quoting from it.

True science is finding out how things actually are, irrespective of superstitious guff.