Why arming everyone with guns is not a good Idea.

[metis]

IF you have a corrupt culture it doesn't matter if they are not allowed guns. Criminals still find it. If gun bans actually work, we wouldn't see criminals with guns, yet they have them anyway.

Let me ask you, do you seriously feel safer knowing you have no way to defend yourself against criminals or corrupt governments? I wouldn't. The police can't teleport. It takes time for them to get there.

Both the Brits and the French did as such by making illegal possession of any gun a felony that, in the case of the U.K., could land one up to 10 years in prison (only rarely that high though), and this very much had the effect they attempted to create by significantly lowering the overall violent crime rates in both countries.

Also, attempts to try and confront someone breaking into your home is in most cases a huge mistake-- better to call 911 in most such cases, and the studies reflect this.

 

[Revoltingest]

Also, attempts to try and confront someone breaking into your home is in most cases a huge mistake-- better to call 911 in most such cases, and the studies reflect this.

It's a good idea to cite studies used as evidence for controversial claims.
So often, people say "statistics" as though that alone makes a cogent argument.

 

[Twilight Hue]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...hot-in-road-rage-attack/ar-BBrzPv7?li=BBnbfcL

A lot more of this. Line waiting rage, shopping rage and etc. people have no problem beating each other for little things. Let them have guns and they will end people for little things.

Yea. Every third person does things like that. Its an epidemic for sure.

 

[Jumi]

The Swiss number of guns is high because a high percentage of these guns were government issued and thoroughly vetted because of compulsory military obligations.

In Finland many of those guns are for hunting purposes. It's rare that they're used for crimes.

 

[metis]

In Finland many of those guns are for hunting purposes. It's rare that they're used for crimes.

Same as in Sweden whereas part of my family lives. Also, another sharp difference between them and us here in the U.S. are the restrictions put on handguns and licenses to carry as well as very thorough background checks.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yea. Every third person does things like that. Its an epidemic for sure.

American firearms take as many lives as American cars; that should give some indication of what would be a proportional response to the issue.

... and when it comes to cars, an intersection with a collision risk that's literally one in a million per year is seen as too high and a problem that needs solving.

 

[Father Heathen]

All in all, guns are stupid and the people who leer at them like some fetish item (a seemingly enormous epidemic in the US) are sick and presumably have a very troubled relationship with their own penis (if not someone else's).

Does this extend to other sports or hobbies?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In Finland many of these guns are for hunting purposes. It's rare that they're used for crimes.

Same with Canada: lots of hunting weapons, but handguns are extremely rare.

I think that the US is very different from other countries when it comes to so-called "self defense" gun usage, which the raw stats about total gun ownership rates don't really capture.

 

[Revoltingest]

All in all, guns are stupid and the people who leer at them like some fetish item (a seemingly enormous epidemic in the US) are sick and presumably have a very troubled relationship with their own penis (if not someone else's).

Bingo!
I was wondering who'd be the first to make it about the "penis".
This is the big problem with the most vocal anti-gun types....
- Lack of a reasoned & evidenced argument.
- Resorting to sexual insults.
It's particularly fun when this sexism addresses women & guns, making it about their penis envy.

 

[Jumi]

Same as in Sweden whereas part of my family lives. Also, another sharp difference between them and us here in the U.S. are the restrictions put on handguns and licenses to carry as well as very thorough background checks.

Sweden has far fewer guns than Finland for historical reasons, yet their gun violence is much higher. Here police usually don't fire guns at suspects, maybe a handful less than ten times a year. In Sweden the amount is closer to a hundred.

 

[Jumi]

I think that the US is very different from other countries when it comes to so-called "self defense" gun usage, which the raw stats about total gun ownership rates don't really capture.

That's true, though hunting weapons can quickly change their purpose in a war or such. They used to stockpile them in case of the Soviets. There probably are still huge caches or WW2 weaponry in places hidden around the country.

 

[BSM1]

Does this extend to other sports or hobbies?

Water polo, obviously.

 

[BSM1]

Bingo!
I was wondering who'd be the first to make it about the "penis".
This is the big problem with the most vocal anti-gun types....
- Lack of a reasoned & evidenced argument.
- Resorting to sexual insults.
It's particularly fun when this sexism addresses women & guns, making it about their penis envy.

This is so target rich when words like bang and Glock come to mind.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is so target rich when words like bang and Glock come to mind.

I think of all the things which interest me greatly......
Hand tools, machine tools, engines, knives, go equipment, furniture, hostas, trees, catalogs, books,
patent models, electric motors, safes, machine skates, bicycles, motorcycles, trucks, guns, etc.
But only guns elicit the response of "Penis!".

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Both the Brits and the French did as such by making illegal possession of any gun a felony that, in the case of the U.K., could land one up to 10 years in prison (only rarely that high though), and this very much had the effect they attempted to create by significantly lowering the overall violent crime rates in both countries.

Also, attempts to try and confront someone breaking into your home is in most cases a huge mistake-- better to call 911 in most such cases, and the studies reflect this.

There's quite a big of crime, actually more than people think in Europe. I've known some Brits that have had some drug lords there. And really it should not be illegal for someone wishing to defend themselves.

You should call but you should stand up for yourself and your family. You cannot count on the police the entire time. It takes time for them to get there and they are usually too late when they arrive. Don't you know how many burglaries were stopped BECAUSE they had a weapon. There's even videos of it when someone had the video surveillance on.

I don't know how criminal react over there in Europe but quite a few criminals in the US are push overs. Once they even see that you have a gun, they will run off. Even if they have you outnumbered and out gunned. Most criminals don't know how to use a gun properly and use fear and intimidation to push you around.

People on the street should not be defenseless either. You have any idea how many less muggings there would be if they knew the person was armed. If a burglar sees two houses and knows one owner has a weapon while the other doesn't, who do you think he's going to rob? He's going to rob the one that doesn't have a weapon. Same with muggers.

No one should be defenseless.

 

[bobhikes]

This is so target rich when words like bang and Glock come to mind.

Cock, Aim, Shoot the Load

 

[Theweirdtophat]

I always have a way to defend myself if I chose to. Criminals have never worried me. Corrupt governments I have had to deal with all my life and it doesn't matter where or when I live they will still be corrupt and a gun has never and will never help.

Actually it would help. There's a reason why many corrupt governments called for gun control. And it was to control the population. It's much easier to run them over with your military if they are disarmed. They thought it was important. Otherwise they wouldn't have called for it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's true, though hunting weapons can quickly change their purpose in a war or such. They used to stockpile them in case of the Soviets. There probably are still huge caches or WW2 weaponry in places hidden around the country.

Stockpiled weapons for wartime don't really have anything to do with carrying a handgun with you in case of muggers and whatnot.

 

[bobhikes]

Actually it would help. There's a reason why many corrupt governments called for gun control. And it was to control the population. It's much easier to run them over with your military if they are disarmed. They thought it was important. Otherwise they wouldn't have called for it.

Yeah and the people that revolt against the government with guns always turn out to be better. My point is no matter what government you put in power it will always be corrupt. Bloodshed is never the answer. People with guns are no better than people without guns. The people with guns are just able to kill easier.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Yeah and the people that revolt against the government with guns always turn out to be better. My point is no matter what government you put in power it will always be corrupt. Bloodshed is never the answer. People with guns are no better than people without guns. The people with guns are just able to kill easier.

It will EVENTUALLY get corrupt. Someone in power does not automatically get corrupt but they can and will if people allow it.

There's a time for peace, but there is nothing immoral about self defense which is natural.