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Why Ayn Rand Seems to Me So Pathetically Stupid Even When I am Drunk

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
“What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it? What is the people but millions of puny, shrivelled, helpless soulsthat have no thoughts of their own, no dreams of their own, no will of their own, who eat and sleep and chew helplessly the words others put into their mildewed brains?…I know no worse injustice than justice for all.”

– Ayn Rand, first edition of the semi-autobiographical novel, We The Living

“The man at the top of the intellectual pyramid contributes the most to all those below him, but gets nothing except his material payment, receiving no intellectual bonus from others to add to the value of his time. The man at the bottom who, left to himself, would starve in his hopeless ineptitude, contributes nothing to those above him, but receives the bonus of all their brains. “

–Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

I’ve been drinking tonight.

I notice when I drink, I (1) become immodest, and I (2) thoroughly enjoy becoming immodest.

Drinking makes me pretty stupid, though, not as stupid as Ayn Rand was.

So, without further introduction, let me assert that, perhaps, it would astonish Rand’s speed-addicted mind – I am certain it would astonish her slavish followers — that the stupidity of her opinion here is proven by the fact that someone as smart as me (I test at 141 IQ –which is marginal genius) can actually learn — a lot about life — from those less intelligent than me. For instance: I once learned a great deal about life from my bimbo ex-secretary. I learned a lot about love, acceptance, and understanding form her. Indeed, I have manged to learn a thing or two from Rand herself. And I fully expect that someday I will even learn a thing or two from one or more of her frickin’ ******* followers.

Rand is mere mind candy for high school sophomores, which is when I first read her.

Opinion courtesy of the New Belgium Brewing Company’s “Trippel Ale”. ”Good tasting drink for drunks with good taste.

wanna fight?
 

Requia

Active Member
The thing you have to remember about Ayn Rand, is that she was secretly a socialist, and was intentionally writing idiotic things to make it easier for future socialists to tear libertarians who actually bought into her stuff apart in arguments.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The thing you have to remember about Ayn Rand, is that she was secretly a socialist, and was intentionally writing idiotic things to make it easier for future socialists to tear libertarians who actually bought into her stuff apart in arguments.

That makes more sense of her idiotic writings than anything else I've heard has made sense of them, Requia. Please be so kind as to marry me.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
I dunno, I`m not a Rand follower at all.
(Had to force my way through Atlas Shrugged)

However looking around me today I can sympathize with her view of "The Masses".
I mean..Bush did get elected not once but.."TWICE".

Seriously I can relate to this quote....

"What is the people but millions of puny, shrivelled, helpless souls that have no thoughts of their own, no dreams of their own, no will of their own, who eat and sleep and chew helplessly the words others put into their mildewed brains?"

Is this not what Fox news and our political discourse thrive on today?
The addled minds of the ignorant masses?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I dunno, I`m not a Rand follower at all.
(Had to force my way through Atlas Shrugged)

However looking around me today I can sympathize with her view of "The Masses".
I mean..Bush did get elected not once but.."TWICE".

Seriously I can relate to this quote....

"What is the people but millions of puny, shrivelled, helpless souls that have no thoughts of their own, no dreams of their own, no will of their own, who eat and sleep and chew helplessly the words others put into their mildewed brains?"

Is this not what Fox news and our political discourse thrive on today?
The addled minds of the ignorant masses?

Fox News only accounts for about 3 to 14 million viewers (depending on the program) out of 316 million Americans, Linwood. True, they are numerous enough t0 sometimes swing elections, but they still -- no matter how much they think they represent American -- cannot represent America. America on the whole is more sensible than the average Fox idiot.

Besides which, Nietzsche understood the masses better than Rand.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's Saturday night. I've run out of beer and have switched to rum. You should know this. Maybe.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
“What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it? What is the people but millions of puny, shrivelled, helpless soulsthat have no thoughts of their own, no dreams of their own, no will of their own, who eat and sleep and chew helplessly the words others put into their mildewed brains?…I know no worse injustice than justice for all.”

– Ayn Rand, first edition of the semi-autobiographical novel, We The Living

That sounds to me like the opinion of someone who makes their observations from far away and doesn't actually bother to "lower" herself by actually talking to people much... if at all.

It strikes me as the sort of opinion a person might gain by sitting in a room by onesself, reading Marx and disagreeing with him. I don't see how a person could arrive at it by actually interacting with "the masses".
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
That sounds to me like the opinion of someone who makes their observations from far away and doesn't actually bother to "lower" herself by actually talking to people much... if at all.

It strikes me as the sort of opinion a person might gain by sitting in a room by onesself, reading Marx and disagreeing with him. I don't see how a person could arrive at it by actually interacting with "the masses".


Excellent point! I think Rand was traumatized by the excesses of the Russian Revolution -- especially as they affected her own family -- and she never got over them. In a way, she was always a scared little Russian girl, albeit one who, perhaps for curious reasons, seldom changed her underwear.
 
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Renji

Well-Known Member
cont: not drinking of alcohol in moderation can make you high, Sunstone. That's why you see such things when you're drunk.:D
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
Sir, to call the New Belgium Brewing Company's Trippel Ale "alcohol" is an error on the magnitude of calling what I once had going with Miss Fifi mere "sex".

Sir? You mean 'lad' don't you?:D I don't know about that. I only go to Starbucks and have one of their frappuccinos, no where else!:p
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Excellent point! I think Rand was traumatized by the excesses of the Russian Revolution -- especially as they affected her own family -- and she never got over them. In a way, she was always a scared little Russian girl.
I don't really know much about Rand's experience in Russia, but it does strike me that Objectivism is pretty well just extreme anti-Communism. It's like when she was trying to come up with her personal philosophy, Rand just said "yeah... the stuff that Communism is in favour of? Well, I'm against all of that."

For someone who gave plenty of lip service to reason and rationality, she didn't seem to put a lot of thought into her philosophy.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
For someone who gave plenty of lip service to reason and rationality, she didn't seem to put a lot of thought into her philosophy.

Precisely! What you've said must be said about her. It is as true as anything that has ever been said about her.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's quite possible I will go to bed at any moment now. So, if I don't respond to your post -- that is probably wher e I am.
 
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