arthra
Baha'i
Hello Prof,
Well I decided to weigh in a tad in this discussion so here are my comments...You may not appreciate my responses here but for a Professor I think we deserve better ...at least so far!
"ProfLogic" wrote:
"Its because the focus of the bible is really the hebrew people."
My comment:
Since you use the word "Hebrew" a lot Prof, don't you think we might consider what the word means...literally a Hebrew = "one from beyond".
The Hebrew people developed from Abraham... He was a wanderer "one from beyond" ...hence the word "Hebrew"... there was no identity of "Hebrew" before Abraham...that is Noah, Enoch, Seth, Adam would be considered previous and ancestors of general humanity per the record.
"Prof" wrote:
"...it might mention other races that interacted with them but it is still about Ancient hebrews."
My comment:
The significance of Abraham is that there was a covenant made with God (not that He was specifically a Hebrew) and there was one previously made with Noah before Him. There are "non-Hebrew" Prophets mention in the Bible such as Job (some think he was an Edomite) and Barlaam a non-Hebrew prophet and Cyrus a Persian was annointed by God. So God does not always work with Hebrews even in the Bible.
Prof wrote:
The conquistador have a major part since major lands were not included and never knew of this hebrew god until the conquistadors forced religion into these society as a means to steal the cultures treasures.
My comment:
Please be more clear or straight forward Prof. Are we talking about Latin America? Be more specific...
Prof wrote:
They weren't contented with the treasures, they slaughtered these cultures in the end. These poor beings called savages by explorers with their bibles were part of humanity, now where are they in the bible?
My comment:
This is pretty much incoherent ...what are you raving about?
Prof wrote:
This is why when you say the story of humanity, I say not. It is just a story of the ancient hebrews who instead of being slaves where actually banished from Egypt thus needed to unite themselves by inventing the one god. the most powerful, the self proclaimed god, that needs adoration. Pretty vain I might add. Just a friendly response for discussion.
My reply:
Sounds like you disagree with the story of the Bible... Well we agree apparently that the Pharoah HAD to banish the Israelites... but for what compelling reason if not the one that is known and what evidence is there for your "version"?
My view is that there was oppression going on and genocide and that a signifcant spiritual and cultural revolution occurred which was the dispensation through Moses.
Why is the Bible part ofthe spiritual heritage of humanity? Because for millions of people (if you add Jews, Christians, Muslims and Baha'is) it is a Holy Book and guide and so must be respected.
Now I didn't mention this earlier Prof. but I also believe the Qur'an is part of the spiritual heritage of humanity as well as is the Dhamapada, the Vedas and the other spiritual classics...so before you consider that I am just favoring the Bible above all the other Holy Books please make note.
- Art
Well I decided to weigh in a tad in this discussion so here are my comments...You may not appreciate my responses here but for a Professor I think we deserve better ...at least so far!
"ProfLogic" wrote:
"Its because the focus of the bible is really the hebrew people."
My comment:
Since you use the word "Hebrew" a lot Prof, don't you think we might consider what the word means...literally a Hebrew = "one from beyond".
The Hebrew people developed from Abraham... He was a wanderer "one from beyond" ...hence the word "Hebrew"... there was no identity of "Hebrew" before Abraham...that is Noah, Enoch, Seth, Adam would be considered previous and ancestors of general humanity per the record.
"Prof" wrote:
"...it might mention other races that interacted with them but it is still about Ancient hebrews."
My comment:
The significance of Abraham is that there was a covenant made with God (not that He was specifically a Hebrew) and there was one previously made with Noah before Him. There are "non-Hebrew" Prophets mention in the Bible such as Job (some think he was an Edomite) and Barlaam a non-Hebrew prophet and Cyrus a Persian was annointed by God. So God does not always work with Hebrews even in the Bible.
Prof wrote:
The conquistador have a major part since major lands were not included and never knew of this hebrew god until the conquistadors forced religion into these society as a means to steal the cultures treasures.
My comment:
Please be more clear or straight forward Prof. Are we talking about Latin America? Be more specific...
Prof wrote:
They weren't contented with the treasures, they slaughtered these cultures in the end. These poor beings called savages by explorers with their bibles were part of humanity, now where are they in the bible?
My comment:
This is pretty much incoherent ...what are you raving about?
Prof wrote:
This is why when you say the story of humanity, I say not. It is just a story of the ancient hebrews who instead of being slaves where actually banished from Egypt thus needed to unite themselves by inventing the one god. the most powerful, the self proclaimed god, that needs adoration. Pretty vain I might add. Just a friendly response for discussion.
My reply:
Sounds like you disagree with the story of the Bible... Well we agree apparently that the Pharoah HAD to banish the Israelites... but for what compelling reason if not the one that is known and what evidence is there for your "version"?
My view is that there was oppression going on and genocide and that a signifcant spiritual and cultural revolution occurred which was the dispensation through Moses.
Why is the Bible part ofthe spiritual heritage of humanity? Because for millions of people (if you add Jews, Christians, Muslims and Baha'is) it is a Holy Book and guide and so must be respected.
Now I didn't mention this earlier Prof. but I also believe the Qur'an is part of the spiritual heritage of humanity as well as is the Dhamapada, the Vedas and the other spiritual classics...so before you consider that I am just favoring the Bible above all the other Holy Books please make note.
- Art