Why can't people just leave the Jews alone?

[Shad]

Agree; I consider myself the queen of Canada, there can't be two queens of Canada.

This means we must settle this with a death match between you and Elizabeth

 

[rosends]

You seem to enjoy imputing motives and putting words into my mouth. I guess a hobby is a hobby. The question was clear, and it was about Jews. The question was clear -- it asked about why people (defined by both religion and nationality) oppress Jews (as a religion). Your answer? "Because Israel. And Israel = Jews." You are wrong and can't understand that. Sad and sadder. Then you support your answer as "Israel because Israel = biblical Hebrew and boy, were they horrible." This is even wronger but, even worse, irrelevanter. And those aren't even words.

You spout such gems as,

I derailed nothing. I made specific points about a subgroup of Jews thus have refuted the generalization of the OP. Nothing more, nothing less.

eve when that claim is proven wrong. Israel is a multi-cultural and multi-theistic country and has been since its inception in 1948 so calling it a subset of Jews is ridiculous.

As to your contention that,

No one is obligated to answer an invalid fallacious point based upon a fiction.

that is true. But you chose to answer. No one obligated you. And when you answered, you did so in terms irrelevant to the question. If you had any obligation, it would have been to intellectual integrity -- answering the question as asked. It was a clear question: Have Jews left other people alone? You could have answered, "Yes, their theological refusal to proselytize and their legal system which values other religions as valid options for others, plus their tendency to respect the religious sites of others shows this." Or you could have answered, "No, their presence at airports asking if passers-by are Jewish and their imposition of a Menorah in the public sphere show this." But instead you wrote, "Yes, because Israel is Jews and Canada gives Israel money so we should be allowed to have a say in how Israel behaves."

I wish you could step outside of your bubble and see how dumb that is.

 

[Shad]

You seem to enjoy imputing motives and putting words into my mouth. I guess a hobby is a hobby. The question was clear, and it was about Jews. The question was clear -- it asked about why people (defined by both religion and nationality) oppress Jews (as a religion). Your answer? "Because Israel. And Israel = Jews." You are wrong and can't understand that. Sad and sadder. Then you support your answer as "Israel because Israel = biblical Hebrew and boy, were they horrible." This is even wronger but, even worse, irrelevanter. And those aren't even words.

No I am stating a conclusion I have made about you. You deny that groups of Jews as leaders, members of political parties and ideologies make bad choices and commit horrible acts in order to further the facade every Jew has never bothered another religions (Canaanite) and states (Canaanite) in history. Your denial of historical fact and even mythological stories is either due to your ignorance or ideology. You do not seem ignorant to me so it must be due to an ideology. My answer was not that people refuse to leave all Jews alone but the fact that all Jews do not live in this facade of isolation when they form a Jewish nations comprised of a majority of Jews based on a Jewish ideology which oppress a population they conquered. The background of the question is not true thus a false pretense. I never said Israeli Jews are all Jews nor did I say all their acts reflect all Jews, You are creating a strawman, nothing more. You ignore my points since it shatters this myth you constructed around yourself and people.

You spout such gems as,
eve when that claim is proven wrong. Israel is a multi-cultural and multi-theistic country and has been since its inception in 1948 so calling it a subset of Jews is ridiculous.

You ignore that the state is Jewish, the state is comprised of 75% Jews.. Israeli fears secularism and multiculturalism when it could threaten to topple it's precious majority. It is acceptable only when they can retain power hence rejection of a one state solution.

As to your contention that, that is true. But you chose to answer. No one obligated you. And when you answered, you did so in terms irrelevant to the question. If you had any obligation, it would have been to intellectual integrity -- answering the question as asked. It was a clear question: Have Jews left other people alone? You could have answered, "Yes, their theological refusal to proselytize and their legal system which values other religions as valid options for others, plus their tendency to respect the religious sites of others shows this." Or you could have answered, "No, their presence at airports asking if passers-by are Jewish and their imposition of a Menorah in the public sphere show this." But instead you wrote, "Yes, because Israel is Jews and Canada gives Israel money so we should be allowed to have a say in how Israel behaves."

The question is has been answered in history often enough that no one should be ignorant of the answers. My answer was not irrelevant, it was condensed. Many Christians hated Jews based on the idea of the Priesthood acts regarding the execution of Jesus, this became a tradition for many. Some become jealous due to the success of many Jews in trades which they were restricted to by Christian powers. Islam has issues with Jews since many refused to acknowledge Islam and fought against Mo.

Hilarious. Jews have not left other people's sites alone as per your own scriptures which I guess you never read except for common memes. Have you not read the story of Gideon and him destroying the altar of Baal? There is the desecration of Topheth and other sites in 2 kings 23. Your own scripture shows that your own people destroyed other peoples religious sites, altars, and icon when God commanded it.

Maybe you meant to say "Jews do not bother other people unless God commands it then they go ape**** just like every other people given into religious zealotry."

I wish you could step outside of your bubble and see how dumb that is.

Read your holy text it really show that your facade is just that. Try again pumpkin.

 

[metis]

Some seem to conveniently forget that the U.N. carved out of "Palestine" a sliver of a land (1/6) that became "Israel", and it was purposely intended to be a Jewish state. Of course, that didn't go over well the imams who believe in the Hadith teaching that once a land is Islamic, it must remain Islamic. And even though there has been a long list of countries that have been divided, the neighboring states and some of their supporters decided that this was unsatisfactory and declared war. They lost.

But if things were so bad in Israel, why don't we see lines of Palestinians leaving? And why is it that we constantly have this anti-Israel bashing with yet so little bashing of even ISIS or Assad or Saudi oppression and support for terrorism, and...

Israel is far from a perfect country, whatever that may be, but this constant bashing that goes on and on is pretty pathetic, and we typically see the same people here rambling on and on and..., which is why I don't like discussing this much.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Some seem to conveniently forget that the U.N. carved out of "Palestine" a sliver of a land (1/6) that became "Israel", and it was purposely intended to be a Jewish state. Of course, that didn't go over well the imams who believe in the Hadith teaching that once a land is Islamic, it must remain Islamic. And even though there has been a long list of countries that have been divided, the neighboring states and some of their supporters decided that this was unsatisfactory and declared war. They lost.

But if things were so bad in Israel, why don't we see lines of Palestinians leaving? And why is it that we constantly have this anti-Israel bashing with yet so little bashing of even ISIS or Assad or Saudi oppression and support for terrorism, and...

Israel is far from a perfect country, whatever that may be, but this constant bashing that goes on and on is pretty pathetic, and we typically see the same people here rambling on and on and..., which is why I don't like discussing this much.

Those sound like pretty good points.

 

[rosends]

No I am stating a conclusion I have made about you. You deny that groups of Jews as leaders, members of political parties and ideologies make bad choices and commit horrible acts in order to further the facade every Jew has never bothered another religions (Canaanite) and states (Canaanite) in history.

Two problems -- the first is that members of political parties are not speaking as religious leaders or acting as functionaries performing religious duties, and the second is that the Israeli government is made of more than just Jews so policies of the government are not of a subset of Jews. Your insistence that "Israel=Subset of Jews" is still wrong. I won't even get into the "Hebrews" vs. "Jews" part.

My answer was not that people refuse to leave all Jews alone but the fact that all Jews do not live in this facade of isolation when they form a Jewish nations comprised of a majority of Jews based on a Jewish ideology which oppress a population they conquered.

Yes, that is your mistaken answer. Because you insist on seeing Israel as a subset of Jews, you draw this erroneous conclusion repeatedly. And since the question was about Jews, not Israel, it includes a reference to Jews outside of Israel so your "Subset" were it accurate would still not answer the question as asked. You can call something a strawman, but as you keep insisting that Israel is a subset of Jews and it isn't true, it isn't a strawman. It is your central thesis.

You ignore that the state is Jewish, the state is comprised of 75% Jews.. Israeli fears secularism and multiculturalism when it could threaten to topple it's precious majority. It is acceptable only when they can retain power hence rejection of a one state solution.

If you want to argue about the precise line between secularism and religion in the governmental policies of Israel (it is quite blurred) or the realities which make a one-state solution dangerous on more than demographic grounds, feel free. Those belong in a discussion of Israel and its history and political system, a discussion which would include the existence of other groups beyond just Jews. It is irrelevant here, no matter how much you huff and puff and insist it matters.

Hilarious. Jews have not left other people's sites alone as per your own scriptures which I guess you never read except for common memes. Have you not read the story of Gideon and him destroying the altar of Baal? There is the desecration of Topheth and other sites in 2 kings 23. Your own scripture shows that your own people destroyed other peoples religious sites, altars, and icon when God commanded it.

You are correct. Biblically, there were times when, either under specific religious edict or as part of a religious zeal, idolatrous sites were destroyed. This would then directly answer the question "have the Jews left other people alone?"
One wonders why you didn't just say this instead of going in all those other directions. Congratulations on finally being able to answer the question as asked. Now, to tie it back to the OP, do you think that the destruction of sites of Baal in biblical days is a relevant rationale for any more recent actions against Jews?

 

[Shad]

Two problems -- the first is that members of political parties are not speaking as religious leaders or acting as functionaries performing religious duties, and the second is that the Israeli government is made of more than just Jews so policies of the government are not of a subset of Jews. Your insistence that "Israel=Subset of Jews" is still wrong. I won't even get into the "Hebrews" vs. "Jews" part.

Irrelevant. Political parties contain members, some members which are Jewish. Political parties have goals and agenda. Thus one support questionable parties commuting questionable acts reflects the people supporting such parties.

Yes, that is your mistaken answer. Because you insist on seeing Israel as a subset of Jews, you draw this erroneous conclusion repeatedly. And since the question was about Jews, not Israel, it includes a reference to Jews outside of Israel so your "Subset" were it accurate would still not answer the question as asked. You can call something a strawman, but as you keep insisting that Israel is a subset of Jews and it isn't true, it isn't a strawman. It is your central thesis.

Israeli has a Jewish majority thus those within this group and its leaders which are Jewish are part of the group as a whole. This does not mean they reflect poorly upon the whole group. However this destroys the facade of Hews as a complete group leave people alone. Your continued tripe is irrelevant as you cherry pick how Jews are represented. When it is not favorable you ignore it.

If you want to argue about the precise line between secularism and religion in the governmental policies of Israel (it is quite blurred) or the realities which make a one-state solution dangerous on more than demographic grounds, feel free. Those belong in a discussion of Israel and its history and political system, a discussion which would include the existence of other groups beyond just Jews. It is irrelevant here, no matter how much you huff and puff and insist it matters.

Irrelevant. Counter example. America is a secular nation yet there are Christian that wish to use their religion as laws of the land. This reflects upon them regardless of the nation just my point about Jew does.

Would you like to talk about Zionism a Jewish national movement or are you doing to ignore this as well?

You are correct. Biblically, there were times when, either under specific religious edict or as part of a religious zeal, idolatrous sites were destroyed. This would then directly answer the question "have the Jews left other people alone?"
One wonders why you didn't just say this instead of going in all those other directions. Congratulations on finally being able to answer the question as asked. Now, to tie it back to the OP, do you think that the destruction of sites of Baal in biblical days is a relevant rationale for any more recent actions against Jews?

I never said it was a reason for modern hatred but Israeli can be, which you will ignore. Beside I have already accomplished my goal which was to shatter this facade that Jews never bothered anyone. Which you agree with.

You wonder why? Did I not clearly state I was talking about a specific group? Was this lost on you?

 

[Godobeyer]

It seems that all of the problems that plague the Jewish people and all the anti-Semitism stems from the fact that people just can't seem to leave the Jews alone, which appears to be all they wanted in the first place. The Greeks tried to conquer them and erase their religion. Didn't work. The Romans tried it, too. They got kicked out of their land for the most part because of it, but it didn't destroy the Jewish people. The Christians and Muslims tried to conquer them, convert them and erase them, too, but that hasn't worked, either. The Jews remain. They're not giving up their religion or their culture. This is apparently a thorn in the side of many, for various reasons (especially religious ones).

I just don't understand why people can't leave them alone and let them have their land and their Temple. The Jews never really were interested in converting others. They tended to have a "live and let live" approach to their religion and culture. They don't complain about the practices of the other people around them. They just carried on doing their own thing. (I think we could all learn from that rather mature approach to things, honestly.)

I just don't get it.

Its could be too : leave the Muslims alone too.

We the Muslims suffered from interventions by forces of West on our business (Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya,Lebanon,Syria,Somale,...etc )

if it's about land ,so American should back to Europe , let the land for indians native.

if it's about Holly places , i suspect Christians whom built their Church over Jewish Temple .

We Muslim had problems with Jews , but never try to eliminated (6 millions) them , as Christians did in WW2 .

for leaving Jews alone:
let's start with Christains whom take Torah from Jews and consider it as their Holy book .i suggest to remove OT , then we talk .

 

[rosends]

Irrelevant. Political parties contain members, some members which are Jewish. Political parties have goals and agenda. Thus one support questionable parties commuting questionable acts reflects the people supporting such parties.

Sigh..."some members which are Jewish". From this you get that the country as a whole is a subset of Jews. If that's your logical leap, you make it on your own.

Israeli has a Jewish majority thus those within this group and its leaders which are Jewish are part of the group as a whole.

Some of its leaders are Jewish. If members of the Israeli Supreme Court are non-Jews, then the group as not a subset of Jews. And there are non-Jews in parliament and on the court.

Irrelevant. Counter example. America is a secular nation yet there are Christian that wish to use their religion as laws of the land. This reflects upon them regardless of the nation just my point about Jew does.

So if someone asks "Do Christians leave others alone?" You would feel comfortable answering "America doesn't because America is a subset of Christian"?

Would you like to talk about Zionism a Jewish national movement or are you doing to ignore this as well?

Ignore what exactly? Aside from your ignorance of the meanings of the word Zionism, I'd be happy to discuss your dismissal of non-Jewish Zionists, and your invoking of an irrelevant point.

I never said it was a reason for modern hatred but Israeli can be, which you will ignore. Beside I have already accomplished my goal which was to shatter this facade that Jews never bothered anyone. Which you agree with.

There was a question about Jews. You answered it (finally), and your answer was "no." You assume that there was a facade to shatter and you did something special in shattering it. You did so by referencing events in the public domain which are well known. How innovative. If you want to pat yourself on the back and say that you exposed some deep dark secret, have fun with that.

You wonder why? Did I not clearly state I was talking about a specific group? Was this lost on you?

Yes, I wonder why, because your explanation is again that a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-religious political construct is a subset of a religion and again, it is wrong.

 

[Shad]

Sigh..."some members which are Jewish". From this you get that the country as a whole is a subset of Jews. If that's your logical leap, you make it on your own.

You are good at ignoring points then asking question these points cover. People are members of political parties with goals. Support of these parties by populations reflects upon that very population. People vote in elections thus this reflect them based upon their vote. The acts of the elect reflect those that voted for them. It does not reflect those that did not vote for these parties.

Some of its leaders are Jewish. If members of the Israeli Supreme Court are non-Jews, then the group as not a subset of Jews. And there are non-Jews in parliament and on the court.

Irrelevant as it will still reflect poorly upon them as non-Jews as it does for Jews. Non-Jews does not make Jews vanish, it just means that both support horrible ideas and interfere with other people.

So if someone asks "Do Christians leave others alone?" You would feel comfortable answering "America doesn't because America is a subset of Christian"?

The Christians that support say the foreign policy of the USA must accept it will reflect upon them just as it does for those that support politicians that say want to abolish same-sex marriage. You are attempting to divide political support and activities of people as if it does not matter.

Ignore what exactly? Aside from your ignorance of the meanings of the word Zionism, I'd be happy to discuss your dismissal of non-Jewish Zionists, and your invoking of an irrelevant point.

Non-Jewish zionists support the concept of Jewish nationalization and a homeland. External support is just that, external.

There was a question about Jews. You answered it (finally), and your answer was "no." You assume that there was a facade to shatter and you did something special in shattering it. You did so by referencing events in the public domain which are well known. How innovative. If you want to pat yourself on the back and say that you exposed some deep dark secret, have fun with that.

No I took one direction which you took offense to. I changed the subject to another part of the greater group within it's history. One your ignored, one you acknowledged. Both included political systems backed by religious and national rhetoric. The only difference was time. The facade was not assumed but in the OP is the idea that Jews had a live and let live policy for other cultures and religions. I focused on culture in which political movements, parties and actions are a part of.

Yes, I wonder why, because your explanation is again that a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-religious political construct is a subset of a religion and again, it is wrong.

Nope as it covered culture in which Israeli is a majority Jewish under a Jewish state founds by Jewish ideas and movements. Non-Jews accept this fact and history of the state willingly or not.

 

[Flankerl]

Long story short:

- Jews living in non-Jewish countries? Nothing wrong with that, its the natural order.

- Non-Jews living in a Jewish country? Horrible state of affairs.

 

[rosends]

You are good at ignoring points then asking question these points cover. People are members of political parties with goals. Support of these parties by populations reflects upon that very population. People vote in elections thus this reflect them based upon their vote. The acts of the elect reflect those that voted for them. It does not reflect those that did not vote for these parties.

So since neither the politicians nor the population are exclusively Jewish, the goals and ideas do not represent exclusively Jewish ideas, nor exist as a subset of "Jew" which is what you insist.

Irrelevant as it will still reflect poorly upon them as non-Jews as it does for Jews. Non-Jews does not make Jews vanish, it just means that both support horrible ideas and interfere with other people.

But reflecting poorly on non-Jews also shows that the identity of Israeli or the country of Israel does not exist as a subset of Jews and cannot be used as shorthand for it.

The Christians that support say the foreign policy of the USA must accept it will reflect upon them just as it does for those that support politicians that say want to abolish same-sex marriage. You are attempting to divide political support and activities of people as if it does not matter.

No, I am trying to divide the political identity of a country from the idea that the country is a subset of a religion, as you insist.

No I took one direction which you took offense to. I changed the subject to another part of the greater group within it's history.

I took no offense. I am not offended when someone says something wrong, but I do feel a drive to show the person he is wrong. You changed the subject to another entity which is not "part of the greater group". Ever since its inception, the current state of Israel has not been a subgroup of "Jew." It is that simple.

 

[Shad]

So since neither the politicians nor the population are exclusively Jewish, the goals and ideas do not represent exclusively Jewish ideas, nor exist as a subset of "Jew" which is what you insist.

Irreverent since many individual members are. Members that support questionable ideas such as settlements. Those that support such ideas must face the fact it will reflect upon them poorly. You against are attempting to separate politics from the individual. Those that move into those settlements must accept the fact this choice reflect upon them as individuals.

But reflecting poorly on non-Jews also shows that the identity of Israeli or the country of Israel does not exist as a subset of Jews and cannot be used as shorthand for it.

False as non-Jews do not make the choice of Jews within the system vanish or become moot. gain it is about people supporting questionable acts committed by the state.

I took no offense. I am not offended when someone says something wrong, but I do feel a drive to show the person he is wrong. You changed the subject to another entity which is not "part of the greater group". Ever since its inception, the current state of Israel has not been a subgroup of "Jew." It is that simple.

You took offense since you ignored my Biblical sources which were also acts of politicians, in this case kings, at the head of political entity, the kingdom(s). The kingdom(s) included non-Jews as well. You defend one since you support it while you do not argue against acts of the past since it is a non-factor in modern times. Again nations that are comprised of people, people makes choices about who and what they support. Non-Jew citizens must accepts the history of the nation they become part of, it does not make this history vanish. Nor does non-Jews make the majority vanish as if they are not the power within the state nor driving the state.

 

[rosends]

Irreverent since many individual members are. Members that support questionable ideas such as settlements. Those that support such ideas must face the fact it will reflect upon them poorly. You against are attempting to separate politics from the individual. Those that move into those settlements must accept the fact this choice reflect upon them as individuals.

So just to recap -- your claim that Israel is a subset of "Jews" because the presence of non-Jews in Israel is irrelevant. Since many members are Jews, the entire nation is a subset. Yeah...if that's how you are going to frame this then there is nothing to say. You have decided that all non-Jews are irrelevant. I can't agree with that.

False as non-Jews do not make the choice of Jews within the system vanish or become moot. gain it is about people supporting questionable acts committed by the state.

And if non-Jews do support or Jews don't support that doesn't matter either according to you. The existence of variety is meaningless to you. Again -- if you want to create the monolithic fiction, then that will be your toy to play with.

You took offense since you ignored my Biblical sources which were also acts of politicians, in this case kings, at the head of political entity, the kingdom(s). The kingdom(s) included non-Jews as well. You defend one since you support it while you do not argue against acts of the past since it is a non-factor in modern times. Again nations that are comprised of people, people makes choices about who and what they support. Non-Jew citizens must accepts the history of the nation they become part of, it does not make this history vanish. Nor does non-Jews make the majority vanish as if they are not the power within the state nor driving the state.

So you also don't know what it means to "take offense" I guess. The fact that there was a theocratic kingdom is quite different from the current nation. if you can't see that, then that is sad. You have decided that the non-Jews are unimportant and that Israel is, even with its Muslims, Christians and Bahai, its Druze and its Samaritans, a subset of Jews. Your circus. Your monkeys. There is nothing left to say because you are so interested in making this about political decisions and policies that you can't understand that a multi-ethnic, secular nation-state is not a subset of a religion. Feel free to go and have a last word in which you say the same thing over and over; enjoy the view with those blinders on.

 

[Shad]

So just to recap -- your claim that Israel is a subset of "Jews" because the presence of non-Jews in Israel is irrelevant. Since many members are Jews, the entire nation is a subset. Yeah...if that's how you are going to frame this then there is nothing to say. You have decided that all non-Jews are irrelevant. I can't agree with that.

No I never did. I clearly said Israeli contains a majority of Jews and that those that support such acts, support is the key word here, must accept that their support and choices when it comes to politics reflects upon them as people. So if a politician had a platform of expanding the settlement projects those that support this politician must face the negative views about them as individual due to their political choices. Israeli is just prime example in which Jews form the majority, drive political goals (positive and negative) of the state and have more control of their nation than Jews from say America. Just different Christians in America which support or oppose policy of the state must accept that this will reflect poorly, or not, upon them.

And if non-Jews do support or Jews don't support that doesn't matter either according to you. The existence of variety is meaningless to you. Again -- if you want to create the monolithic fiction, then that will be your toy to play with.

No as I already said non-Jews that support horrible policies must also face the fact that their choices will reflect upon them as people.

So you also don't know what it means to "take offense" I guess. The fact that there was a theocratic kingdom is quite different from the current nation. if you can't see that, then that is sad. You have decided that the non-Jews are unimportant and that Israel is, even with its Muslims, Christians and Bahai, its Druze and its Samaritans, a subset of Jews. Your circus. Your monkeys. There is nothing left to say because you are so interested in making this about political decisions and policies that you can't understand that a multi-ethnic, secular nation-state is not a subset of a religion. Feel free to go and have a last word in which you say the same thing over and over; enjoy the view with those blinders on.

Israeli, modern, is still based on Jewish ideologies as much as the previous kingdoms were based on Jewish theological ideologies. The sources of both are still Jewish in nature. I do not ignore minorities I just am not naive to think that tiny minorities can have a major impacts on the state's systems when the majority of the nation is Jewish. The minorities would have to combine in a united front to challenge the major parties. Go look at the latest election namely Lukid's goals, its Zionist ideology and has no issues pandering to the religious right for votes.

You seem naive to think that individuals supporting political ideal should not reflect upon those that support it. It does and nothing you say changes this fact. You should look up the 2009 proposes for peace talks with Palestine in which the Israeli ambassador has a clause in which Palestine must acknowledge Israeli as a Jewish state. The very government of the state you say is secular is saying it is a Jewish state.

 

[David1967]

Lets hope one day the young generation will show the older how to truly live together in peace.

Wonderful picture. One day...hopefully

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

I've never understood this argument, are Jews really being mistreated in the modern world? Some of the world richest organisations, individuals and political figures are Jews .They control much of the stock market and gold and receive billions from western nations i.e. all the money given to Israel by the US or various western nations.

In terms of Britain, some of the leading politicians and business figures are Jews and in all honesty, their hard work is to be admired but many of these people are also staunch supporters of the apartheid regime of Israel .Again, where are they being mistreated?

I often hear about anti-semitism in Britain but attacks on black people and muslims far outweigh the numbers of anti-semitic attacks, heck, it wasn't until this year that islamaphobia was recognised as a hate crime in britain. So the numbers may be even higher.

A young black man in britain is far more likely to be stopped by the police than a young jewish man.

Again, how are the jews not being left alone? The control much of the capitalist, modern world. The power is quite literally in their hands. Where has this victim mentality come from?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

as someone who just discovered that he is up to 5% Jewish I agree it's time to leave us alone. My people have suffered enough

 

[Kapalika]

It seems that all of the problems that plague the Jewish people and all the anti-Semitism stems from the fact that people just can't seem to leave the Jews alone, which appears to be all they wanted in the first place. The Greeks tried to conquer them and erase their religion. Didn't work. The Romans tried it, too. They got kicked out of their land for the most part because of it, but it didn't destroy the Jewish people. The Christians and Muslims tried to conquer them, convert them and erase them, too, but that hasn't worked, either. The Jews remain. They're not giving up their religion or their culture. This is apparently a thorn in the side of many, for various reasons (especially religious ones).

I just don't understand why people can't leave them alone and let them have their land and their Temple. The Jews never really were interested in converting others. They tended to have a "live and let live" approach to their religion and culture. They don't complain about the practices of the other people around them. They just carried on doing their own thing. (I think we could all learn from that rather mature approach to things, honestly.)

I just don't get it.

Maybe if they were not shoved into Israel and stole Palestine they wouldn't be in at least that position. It isn't their land, and it hasn't been for thousands of years.

As far as stuff in ancient history it had more to do with geography, where as with the Holocaust that was rather odd when you think about it since no one had anything at stake other than a scapegoat but ya.

 

[rosends]

I've never understood this argument, are Jews really being mistreated in the modern world? Some of the world richest organisations, individuals and political figures are Jews .They control much of the stock market and gold and receive billions from western nations i.e. all the money given to Israel by the US or various western nations.

wow...smh.