Why can't people just leave the Jews alone?

[wizanda]

No, it is I who feel sorry for you because, instead of actually dealing with the messianic prophecies that were posted for you to read and maybe even check up on, the only thing you can do is to insult "the messenger".

Didn't insult you, you still don't have a clue what I'm talking about.... Then continue with the same statements you had, before i tried to correct you....

Yeshua didn't claim to be the Messiah, why would i then go over the Messianic prophecies, which are in a totally different time zone....Thank you btw, will save them, and go over them when within the context of the Messiah.

Fortunately, most believers of Jesus, in my experience, don't use your disingenuous techniques and amoral approach

Fortunately I'm not a believer in Yeshua; i just accept the mathematical prophetic precision of the prophecies...

Curious what you mean by 'disingenuous techniques' and 'amoral approach'; especially since you've shown you don't understand my stance on it?

If you can't actually deal with what some may post in an honest way, then why even post here?

Post here to put points across; when answers come back that are flawed, do try my hardest to give positive correction....Even if some are just determined to argue, without even understanding.

 

[wizanda]

This is ironic since it is coming from someone so quick to embrace idolatry.

Wow, so now you're on accusing me of breaking the commandments, without a shred of evidence to substantiate it.... Where does that come from?

Actually, the point of the thread is to ask why people can't lust leave Jews alone and you keep providing the answer "because the Jews have to be persecuted." So, facepalm right back at you as you seem fixated on justifying oppression.

Wow again, what we're trying to establish is that maybe YHVH has set it all this way, and due to reading comprehension problems you just don't get it....

Plus though YHVH is trying to bring Jews back to righteousness, instead of trying to understand it; you continue to want to be an oppressed people, even when people are sent to try to help.

If only you could see then, that the entire construct you are using is false so your entire approach fails.

Well considering used the Tanakh to establish it.... Then by multiple witnesses establishing a case for Yeshua.

If you understood the case, then you could comment on it.....

So because you don't like what it says, it must be wrong without any study.

Even on the one point so far we've discussed, that only Jews are human, on investigation found that the original premise was totally flawed in context of what is within the Tanakh, and who ever wrote it was clearly in error to begin with...

So if there is that little quality inspection, could investigate each individual point, and find even more reasons to show lots flawed....

Might get around to it one day; yet so far Rabbinic Jews are not presenting it as being beneficial for being a better person.

 

[rosends]

Wow, so now you're on accusing me of breaking the commandments, without a shred of evidence to substantiate it.... Where does that come from?

Clearly, I see evidence to substantiate it. You don't. Fine by me.

Wow again, what we're trying to establish is that maybe YHVH has set it all this way, and due to reading comprehension problems you just don't get it....

So you are hiding behind "maybe God wants people victimized so I am OK condoning those who victimize. Fascinating. Is there a little emoji guy expressing how stupid that view is? Because if so, imagine I stuck that in right about....here.

Plus though YHVH is trying to bring Jews back to righteousness, instead of trying to understand it; you continue to want to be an oppressed people, even when people are sent to try to help.

People are sent to help. You are not one of those people. To quote the movie, "What you are doing is the opposite of help."

Well considering used the Tanakh to establish it.... Then by multiple witnesses establishing a case for Yeshua.

The tanach does not establish it the way you need it established and when you rely on fiction to make your case, you are doomed to failure.

Even on the one point so far we've discussed, that only Jews are human,

Which actually isn't what the text says, but you keep thinking it to be so...

on investigation found that the original premise was totally flawed in context of what is within the Tanakh, and who ever wrote it was clearly in error to begin with...

Which means you refuse to learn anything about it. OK then. The lies and stupidity that has been cut and copied all over the place have been deflated just as often but no one is as blind as those who refuse to see.

Might get around to it one day; yet so far Rabbinic Jews are not presenting it as being beneficial for being a better person.

It isn't. It is for understanding Judaism.

 

[metis]

Yeshua didn't claim to be the Messiah,...

But others did, and he didn't deny it:

John.1[41] He first found his brother Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which means Christ).

John.4[25] The woman said to him, "I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ); when he comes, he will show us all things."

 

[wizanda]

But others did, and he didn't deny it: John 1:41 John 4:25

John is made up, most likely written by a member of the Pharisees/high council to know the knowledge contained within it....

It is most likely purposely written to achieve putting the Jews off; only problem is you lot don't seem to recognize this anymore, and instead now base your comprehension of the events, on the lies.

Clearly, I see evidence to substantiate it. You don't. Fine by me.

So wait, are you even Jewish?

Are you allowed to go around accusing me of breaking the Law of God, then not giving me any evidence to substantiate your claim?

So you are hiding behind "maybe God wants people victimized so I am OK condoning those who victimize

Don't hide behind anything, keep standing out in the open, saying here look, "the gospel of John is made up, Paul contradicts Yeshua on well over 36 points, and Simon was called the stone (petros) by Yeshua to fulfill prophecy"...

Why would I want to hinder our people; which is why I'm always trying to help.... Also who would want to see anyone victimized, instead like them to recognize the possible prophesied reason, so they could then help prevent it.

 

[rosends]

Are you allowed to go around accusing me of breaking the Law of God, then not giving me any evidence to substantiate your claim?

A -- yes.
B -- every time you refer to "Yeshua" and "satan" (among other things) you provide the evidence.

 

[wizanda]

A -- yes.
B -- every time you refer to "Yeshua" and "satan" (among other things) you provide the evidence.

Yeshua isn't an idol; the Pharisee infiltrators (Paul, John and Simon the stone) managed to make him into one after...

Generally don't accuse people of being satan; even though believe it means an adversary or basically someone who is accusative, normally quite argumentative in character.

So since I'm allowed to say you break all the laws of being a Jew, without any real reason or evidence to do so.... I won't, because that would be mean, and that is clearly not my style.

 

[rosends]

Yeshua isn't an idol; the Pharisee infiltrators (Paul, John and Simon the stone) managed to make him into one after...

See, you are doing it again.

Generally don't accuse people of being satan; even though believe it means an adversary or basically someone who is accusative, normally quite argumentative in character.

Lack of knowledge strikes again.

So since I'm allowed to say you break all the laws of being a Jew, without any real reason or evidence to do so.... I won't, because that would be mean, and that is clearly not my style.

Feel free to say whatever you want. Your style seems to be to make bizarre claims based on not undersatnding Judaism or Jewish texts. Have at it.

 

[wizanda]

See, you are doing it again.

Debate it in another thread, show where or how you press these charges against me; since personally don't feel you've got a shred of evidence...

Like a bad poker player, you bluff a lot; yet have nothing really.

 

[rosends]

Debate it in another thread, show where or how you press these charges against me; since personally don't feel you've got a shred of evidence...

Like a bad poker player, you bluff a lot; yet have nothing really.

You can keep feeling that way while you quote more and more from your invented schema.

 

[wizanda]

The tanach does not establish it the way you need it established and when you rely on fiction to make your case, you are doomed to failure.

Well this is the point the Tanakh establishes it as it was written, due to Jews being ignorant of this, and then refusing to accept YHVH's instruction, it makes logical sense that you're then outcasts, standing in defiance against God.

Unless you can show evidence why the case presented is flawed, other than saying you think the gospels are bunk; you're on the losing side within this argument.

It isn't. It is for understanding Judaism.

You don't follow Judaism; you're following the Pharisees (Rabbinic Judaism) which was a sect that has been cut off from God.

while you quote more and more from your invented schema.

Didn't need to invent anything; the Tanakh is quite clear.

See, you are doing it again.

Since it was YHVH who created this idolatry on purpose, yet you're completely unaware of the context; just makes me laugh at how naive your insults, and false accusations are....

It does nothing but show us, another reason people might persecute the Jews, when many of you are behaving this way continuously.

Yet don't get us wrong, as you keep doing; doesn't stop everyone from trying to help you from going the wrong way.

 

[rosends]

Well this is the point the Tanakh establishes it as it was written, due to Jews being ignorant of this,

So Jews are ignornat of tanach, but YOU get it. Of course. Everyone but you is wrong.

and then refusing to accept YHVH's instruction,

As you think you were told them

Unless you can show evidence why the case presented is flawed, other than saying you think the gospels are bunk; you're on the losing side within this argument.

Because of things like אַךְ הַנָּבִיא אֲשֶׁר יָזִיד לְדַבֵּר דָּבָר בִּשְׁמִי אֵת אֲשֶׁר לֹא צִוִּיתִיו לְדַבֵּר וַאֲשֶׁר יְדַבֵּר בְּשֵׁם אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים וּמֵת הַנָּבִיא הַהוּא

You don't follow Judaism; you're following the Pharisees (Rabbinic Judaism) which was a sect that has been cut off from God.

Lovely claim, but totally off base. And saying it but having no proof puts you on the losing side of this.

Didn't need to invent anything; the Tanakh is quite clear.

Actually, it often isn't. Saying it is just means you don't understand it. I could quote plenty of verses which need explication and the without which cannot be understood.

Since it was YHVH who created this idolatry on purpose, yet you're completely unaware of the context; just makes me laugh at how naive your insults, and false accusations are....

Since you don't understand the words, the concepts and the context, your flailing about is humorous.

Yet don't get us wrong, as you keep doing; doesn't stop everyone from trying to help you from going the wrong way.

And I will keep trying to help you realize the huge mistakes you have made and how your entire approach is wrong. If people keep telling you this, please understand that God put you here as someone who makes mistakes so that the rest of us can work on fixing you, and if you feel put upon by that, realize that others' mocking you is justified by your insistence on being repeatedly wrong.

 

[metis]

John is made up, most likely written by a member of the Pharisees/high council to know the knowledge contained within it....

It is most likely purposely written to achieve putting the Jews off; only problem is you lot don't seem to recognize this anymore, and instead now base your comprehension of the events, on the lies.

And you supposedly know better? What evidence can you provide that John was written as you say? And if John's gospel was such a phony, then why is it that the early church clearly believed Jesus was the messiah? If John was a distortion, then common sense would have it that others that knew the truth would have negated not only that book but also that belief about Jesus.

I have provided evidence for my position, and you have provided nothing, nada, ziltch, zip, ...

 

[wizanda]

Because of things like אַךְ הַנָּבִיא אֲשֶׁר יָזִיד לְדַבֵּר דָּבָר בִּשְׁמִי אֵת אֲשֶׁר לֹא צִוִּיתִיו לְדַבֵּר וַאֲשֶׁר יְדַבֵּר בְּשֵׁם אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים וּמֵת הַנָּבִיא הַהוּא

In a sense i agree, using the term 'jesus' is blasphemous, and idolatrous....Which is why tried using the commonly used Aramaic Yeshua instead.

Personally don't see that by using a name it is idolatrous; it is the intent behind something that matters.

So Jews are ignornat of tanach, but YOU get it.

Not in the slightest, there are tons of bits it would take years of study for me to understand the historical context of much of it.

Since you don't understand the words, the concepts and the context, your flailing about is humorous.

The book explains its self, with a copy of Esword, dictionaries and concordance, you can pretty much research what God implied; rather then read what other possibly misguided people might have concluded.

Smocking you is justified by your insistence on being repeatedly wrong.

Yeah it has been a hard life so far....

 

[rosends]

In a sense i agree, using the term 'jesus' is blasphemous, and idolatrous....Which is why tried using the commonly used Aramaic Yeshua instead.

Not only isn't "Yeshua" Aramaic, it also isn't the right transliteration of the name. Oh yeah, it is no more "blasphemous" than using the term "Jesus" and none of this has anything to do with what I quoted. So, um, well done.

Not in the slightest, there are tons of bits it would take years of study for me to understand the historical context of much of it.

So you don't get it in the slightest but you are using it to explain your thinking. OK then...

The book explains its self, with a copy of Esword, dictionaries and concordance, you can pretty much research what God implied; rather then read what other possibly misguided people might have concluded.

Wow! A dictionary tells you about implications? A concordance can explain intent? And all this while working with a translation? Amazing.

 

[wizanda]

And all this while working with a translation? Amazing.

It hardly becomes a translation, when you're capable of checking every word; referencing them with more sources, than the people in the past had.

 

[rosends]

It hardly becomes a translation, when you're capable of checking every word; referencing them with more sources, than the people in the past had.

So you deal with it in the Hebrew? If not, that's called "translation."

 

[JacobEzra.]

That's it, their bad as each other.

The **** you mean?

 

[psychoslice]

The **** you mean?

You know what I mean !.

 

[Tiapan]

Because the Jewish Taliban keeps stealing other peoples land.