Agnostic75
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You can have a relationship with other men. Who said you can't? You're a free agent, you can do what you want (within the limits of the law, of course).I don't mean like doing orgies and wicked stuff like that. But why can't we make love to people of our gender. I don't get it. I am attracted to men.
Society says they can't! Homosexuality while "legal" (at least in the US) is still not accepted as normal by the mainstream, and still considered taboo and morally wrong by society. Society is homophobic (largely driven by the judgmental religious types like yourself). I think what the OP is asking is why is it considered "wrong" for a man to have a relationship with a man, according to the homophobic society at large (which you represent).You can have a relationship with other men. Who said you can't? You're a free agent, you can do what you want (within the limits of the law, of course).
Really? Then how is it possible that homosexuals are getting married, when society says they can't? Unless they are ignoring society, and the legal definition of marriage, and doing it anyways.Society says they can't!
My question is, why are there so many homosexual themed threads on this board today? Did we just get an influx of homosexuals or an influx of homophobes? I can't tell.
Let me repeat what I previously wrote since you seemed to have missed what I said the first time:Really? Then how is it possible that homosexuals are getting married, when society says they can't?
First of all, gays STILL don't have the right to marry or adopt in all states yet. The legal definition of marriage is changing to allow for gay marriage since DOMA was repealed. But that is something that has just occurred this year (in case you didn't notice). Slowly, but surely gays are getting equal rights under the law. But that still doesn't mean that most people accept homosexuality as normal. The fact is, they don't. And this is evident in any established social setting from high school, to the sports locker room, to the military, to mainstream media, to the BSA, to Chik-Fil-A. Being called "f_gg_t" or "queer" is still considered to be one of the more derogatory insults for a male at every level of society.Unless they are ignoring society, and the legal definition of marriage, and doing it anyways.
Well some people don't consider religion important, but at least that is the theme of this forum. I don't see what homosexuality has to do with anything here, unless someone is making a religious argument against homosexuality (which nobody here has done yet).You get an influx of people obsessed with who people have sex with and how they have sex rather than focusing on the important stuff.
Well some people don't consider religion important, but at least that is the theme of this forum. I don't see what homosexuality has to do with anything here, unless someone is making a religious argument against homosexuality (which nobody here has done yet).
captainbryce said:Well some people don't consider religion important, but at least that is the theme of this forum. I don't see what homosexuality has to do with anything here, unless someone is making a religious argument against homosexuality (which nobody here has done yet).
Apparently they have not allowed Jesus in the church either.. The Southern Baptist Convention is the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. They do not allow openly homosexual people to join their church. Neither does the Mormon church. Both denominations claim that the Bible forbids homosexuality. So do some other Christian denominations.
The Southern Baptist Convention is the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. They do not allow openly homosexual people to join their church. Neither does the Mormon church. Both denominations claim that the Bible forbids homosexuality.
Apparently they have not allowed Jesus in the church either.
Apparently they have not allowed Jesus in the church either.
Katzpur said:Actually, the Mormon Church does allow openly homosexual to join their church, and even to hold some leadership positions. They just require the individual to be celibate in order to be a member "in good standing." They also require unmarried heterosexual people to be celibate.
When a pastor or preacher points to a sin in a man's life they are still looking to the tree of knowledge of good and evil, trying to be like God knowing good and evil. the truth is Adam is not our beginning. Jesus is our beginning. when you point to a man's fallen state it will most likely cause him to run and hide as it did Adam and Eve in the garden. I've heard preacher's teach people that we still have a sin nature because of Adam. why are so many still pointing to the first Adam when the last Adam is our beginning? To love is to accept and God had already loved us first and its why He sent his son. Not so we could find acceptance but so that we could know how much he loved and accepted us. Before there was Jesus (the Word made flesh) the acceptance was already there. He sent Jesus to reveal this truth as he ministered and dined with the sinners. It is truly His love that flows through us that cleans away our unrighteousness and not us getting rid of our unrighteousness so His love can flow.And you just did the same thing you condemned them for. You just judged them over something you have no knowledge of.
Interesting how that works, wot?
I have no need to show that all babies with guns kill others to claim that babies with guns is a bad idea and causes much harm. I have no idea what your talking about. There is nothing extreme about anything I said. It is based on secular fact and is shared by far more people than it's opposite. I see liberal tactic 101 has surfaced since an argument could not. No matter how many facts line up, how many people agree, or how many ways the truth of it has been proven call it extreme and dismiss it.But your argument encompasses all homosexuality.
This is your mistake.
You cannot guarantee that there is not a completely monogamous homosexual relationship. Therefore, you cannot say ALL homosexuality is wrong.
It is really a simple exercise in logic. You took an extreme stance by making a sweeping generalization. There does exist a possible instance where your extreme stance is not valid. You just need to accept that you were wrong with your sweeping generalization.
Personally do not agree that Churches should turn away those in most need of their help. However Paul's letters suggest very strongly that the Church should not allow sin to fester in the Church. There are some very chilling demands made to contend with open sin in Church. If Jesus is God and God has claimed homosexuality is an abomination I can have sympathy for those churches that at least exclude open homosexuality. It is hard questions like this that have made me glad it is not my decision. There is even a gay church in my town and I live in one of the most conservative places of earth.Apparently they have not allowed Jesus in the church either.