Why Did God Create Man?

[Ingledsva]

So what we have here, is difference of opinion. And that's all.

No we don't just have a difference of opinion.

The texts are specific.

You can go to any Jewish site and read the facts.

The extra stuff you folks are pushing, is just later added on baloney, that is NOT in the texts..

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[Ingledsva]

All your doing is the same thing, making crap up as you go along.
According to you the king of Tyrus was in the garden of Eden, I like to know just how you get that.
When in fact the only ones that were in the garden of Eden was Adam and Eve and the Serpent, and God.
So how do get the king of Tyrus as being in the garden of Eden?

The Garden of Eden is considered - by them - to be a real place.

We have a couple of choices from what the text says.

1. the Jerusalem Temple is also a type of Garden of Eden, on a mount. You can find this in rabbinical writings.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God (Temple, or supposed Garden location, see 2.); every precious stone was thy covering, (These stones are specifically traded in Tyre.)(also the Urim and Tumim breastplate worn by the high priest) the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (anointed King protector of his people); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (the Temple Mt.); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

The imagery of the Garden, with its serpent and cherubim, has been compared to the images of the Solomonic Temple with its copper serpent (the nehushtan) and guardian cherubs

This "brazen serpent" became an object of adoration to Israel, and so remained until Hezekiah destroyed it by breaking it into fragments (II Kings xviii. 4). Jewish Encyclopedia (So the earthly Temple Eden even had a serpent.)

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2. Tyre is a Phoenician port city. We have old sources naming Lebanon as part of the Garden of Eden.

So in choice two we have a city located in what they thought was the original Garden of Eden. An anointed King = covering his people, literally walking on the holy mount in the Garden of Eden, in a port city called Tyre, which we know was rich, and traded in Jewels, and ultimately fell through wars, etc.

"t appears that the Lebanon is an alternative placement in Phoenician myth (as in Ez 28,13, III.48) of the Garden of Eden",[16] and there are connections between paradise, the garden of Eden and the forests of Lebanon (possibly used symbolically) within prophetic writings.[17] Edward Lipinski and Peter Kyle McCarter have suggested that the Garden of the gods (Sumerian paradise), the oldest Sumerian version of the Garden of Eden, relates to a mountain sanctuary in the Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon ranges.[18] Garden of Eden - Wikipedia

An interesting study on Tyre from a Christian site - Tyre - Hastings' Dictionary of the Bible - Bible Dictionary - StudyLight.org

"Old Tyre was destroyed (Ezekiel 26:7-12 ), but the Babylonian army in vain wearied itself in trying to subdue the island ( Ezekiel 29:18 ). It is probable that the city finally capitulated on favourable terms. The long siege, however, had ruined her commerce, and for 50 years Tyre was a poverty-stricken town. An attempt at a republic did not improve her fortunes. She was involved in the struggle between Nebuchadnezzar II. and Pharaoh-hophra ( Jeremiah 44:30 ). was for a time under Egypt, but finally fell to Babylon, and remained a dependency until the overthrow of the Babylonian Empire. Her humbled state did not change her people’s temper. Their pride ( Ezekiel 28:2 ), their contempt for the rights of man ( Amos 1:9 ), their slave-trading propensities ( Joel 3:4-8 ) are denounced by the Hebrew prophets."

So No Satan anywhere. And two choices for a totally HUMAN reading of the text.

Most likely is number TWO as it is set in Tyre, and we get the whole story of Tyre. The king would be an anointed one, protector of the people, who actually walked on the holy mount, in what they consider the original Garden of Eden area, and deals in all of the mentioned stones, etc. The stones could also refer to the Priests jeweled breastplate.

However as an anointed King he could also have visited Jerusalem as in number ONE.

Again, either way, - no Satan.

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[Faithofchristian]

The Garden of Eden is considered - by them - to be a real place.

We have a couple of choices from what the text says.

1. the Jerusalem Temple is also a type of Garden of Eden, on a mount. You can find this in rabbinical writings.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God (Temple, or supposed Garden location, see 2.); every precious stone was thy covering, (These stones are specifically traded in Tyre.)(also the Urim and Tumim breastplate worn by the high priest) the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (anointed King protector of his people); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (the Temple Mt.); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

The imagery of the Garden, with its serpent and cherubim, has been compared to the images of the Solomonic Temple with its copper serpent (the nehushtan) and guardian cherubs

This "brazen serpent" became an object of adoration to Israel, and so remained until Hezekiah destroyed it by breaking it into fragments (II Kings xviii. 4). Jewish Encyclopedia (So the earthly Temple Eden even had a serpent.)

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2. Tyre is a Phoenician port city. We have old sources naming Lebanon as part of the Garden of Eden.

So in choice two we have a city located in what they thought was the original Garden of Eden. An anointed King = covering his people, literally walking on the holy mount in the Garden of Eden, in a port city called Tyre, which we know was rich, and traded in Jewels, and ultimately fell through wars, etc.

"t appears that the Lebanon is an alternative placement in Phoenician myth (as in Ez 28,13, III.48) of the Garden of Eden",[16] and there are connections between paradise, the garden of Eden and the forests of Lebanon (possibly used symbolically) within prophetic writings.[17] Edward Lipinski and Peter Kyle McCarter have suggested that the Garden of the gods (Sumerian paradise), the oldest Sumerian version of the Garden of Eden, relates to a mountain sanctuary in the Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon ranges.[18] Garden of Eden - Wikipedia

An interesting study on Tyre from a Christian site - Tyre - Hastings' Dictionary of the Bible - Bible Dictionary - StudyLight.org

"Old Tyre was destroyed (Ezekiel 26:7-12 ), but the Babylonian army in vain wearied itself in trying to subdue the island ( Ezekiel 29:18 ). It is probable that the city finally capitulated on favourable terms. The long siege, however, had ruined her commerce, and for 50 years Tyre was a poverty-stricken town. An attempt at a republic did not improve her fortunes. She was involved in the struggle between Nebuchadnezzar II. and Pharaoh-hophra ( Jeremiah 44:30 ). was for a time under Egypt, but finally fell to Babylon, and remained a dependency until the overthrow of the Babylonian Empire. Her humbled state did not change her people’s temper. Their pride ( Ezekiel 28:2 ), their contempt for the rights of man ( Amos 1:9 ), their slave-trading propensities ( Joel 3:4-8 ) are denounced by the Hebrew prophets."

So No Satan anywhere. And two choices for a totally HUMAN reading of the text.

Most likely is number TWO as it is set in Tyre, and we get the whole story of Tyre. The king would be an anointed one, protector of the people, who actually walked on the holy mount, in what they consider the original Garden of Eden area, and deals in all of the mentioned stones, etc. The stones could also refer to the Priests jeweled breastplate.

However as an anointed King he could also have visited Jerusalem as in number ONE.

Again, either way, - no Satan.

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Since you brought it up and I'm glad you did, because it brought it to my attention.

In Ezekiel 28:12-13--"You have been in Eden the garden of God"

My question is this, Do you know what time period this is?
When this all taken place, We know it can not be the garden of Eden which Adam and Eve were in, because at this time of Adam and Eve the king of Tyrus was not even born yet. Not even Cain or Able was born yet, until after Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden of Eden.

So what time period is this of
Ezekiel 28:12-15, talking about?

 

[Ingledsva]

Since you brought it up and I'm glad you did, because it brought it to my attention.

In Ezekiel 28:12-13--"You have been in Eden the garden of God"

My question is this, Do you know what time period this is?
When this all taken place, We know it can not be the garden of Eden which Adam and Eve were in, because at this time of Adam and Eve the king of Tyrus was not even born yet. Not even Cain or Able was born yet, until after Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden of Eden.

So what time period is this of
Ezekiel 28:12-15, talking about?

Good grief - you are turning that backward. The ancient stories were passed on verbally. They were not written down until much later.

1 - He isn't with Adam and Eve, he is - LATER - either in the area thought to be the Original Garden, or the Temple which is a type of the Garden.

2 - as stated, this is poetic language they are using.

3 - Again, the Temple itself is a type of the Garden of Eden.

4 - By the time of these writings they had already obviously been discussing where the Original Garden of Eden was, for a long-long time.

5 - Poetic - The King of Tyre could have been in Tyre = in the area some considered the original Garden of Eden, or he could, as an anointed King, = have gone to the Jerusalem Temple a type of the Garden of Eden. Some Rabbi's even discuss the area of Israel as the original Garden, though it doesn't fit the writings. Either way, he could be said to have walked in the Garden of Eden/God, - literally or poetically.

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