Why did God create us

[muhammad_isa]

Not as written in the Bible. Just admit the obvious, that Noah's Ark at best is a morality tale. It is not something that happened. To match reality one has to dilute the fairy tale to the point that it is unrecognizeable.

No. It just wasn't a global flood..

 

[Brian2]

Okay, you are a bit confused. After the last glacial maximum there were quite a few very strong local floods. But they occurred at different times. Israel and surrounding areas were too far south to be subject to those floods, the Black Sea flood is not a good example, they would have been affected by sea level rise only which though rapid in geologic time was rather slow in human measures. The Black sea flood did engulf several cities, but if one does the math by human measures it was still a rather slow rise. It took a year for it to be filled at the rate calculated. That would have resulted in a flood that a person could have crawled away from. Villages do not move rather well. They were engulfed. People were driven out homeless, but not flooded. Would you like a link to the flood that most likely gave birth to the myth? Right place, roughly right time, not global. The problem is that it would not have solved the supposed problems that were the cause of Noah's flood so the story is still a myth.

I have read a bit a bit about floods in the area and that some say it happened very fast and others that it happened slowly. It just isn't known how fast it happened. I do believe that the rain was for forty days however and that the fountains of the great deep opened up (whatever that may mean).
It is not known exactly when Noah's flood happened imo as the genealogies probably do not include all the generations.
The other floods could have happened at the same time but it would not really matter if that was not the case, the Bible does not tell us that it had to be the case.

 

[metis]

We Abrahamics (at least me anyway) see humans as knowing something about good and evil and that animals don't have that knowledge and so their behaviour is not related to morality.

Actually, it does in that instinct is basically "genetically programmed morality". But we also know that some animals are "delinquents" that don't follow suit. Also, we know that with primates, decisions are often made that at least are not genetically programmed as they can reason.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. It just wasn't a global flood..

Then tell us all of the details.

I have not seen a explanation that does not fail miserably. You have to deny that all of the supposed reasons for the flood were not true.

 

[ppp]

I have read a bit a bit about floods in the area and that some say it happened very fast and others that it happened slowly. It just isn't known how fast it happened. I do believe that the rain was for forty days however and that the fountains of the great deep opened up (whatever that may mean).
It is not known exactly when Noah's flood happened imo as the genealogies probably do not include all the generations.
The other floods could have happened at the same time but it would not really matter if that was not the case, the Bible does not tell us that it had to be the case.

Not enough water molecules.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have read a bit a bit about floods in the area and that some say it happened very fast and others that it happened slowly. It just isn't known how fast it happened. I do believe that the rain was for forty days however and that the fountains of the great deep opened up (whatever that may mean).
It is not known exactly when Noah's flood happened imo as the genealogies probably do not include all the generations.
The other floods could have happened at the same time but it would not really matter if that was not the case, the Bible does not tell us that it had to be the case.

The problem is that there was no worldwide flood. And a local flood would refute the supposed reasons for a flood in the first place. If you make your flood too violent it destroys the Ark and everything in it, though of course the Ark was not seaworthy as described. You could not even state what your version of the Flood is. All that you could do was to admit that it was not global.

Here is an easy one. Did the Flood kill everyone in the world except for Noah's family?

 

[ppp]

The problem is that there was no worldwide flood. And a local flood would refute the supposed reasons for a flood in the first place. If you make your flood too violent it destroys the Ark and everything in it, though of course the Ark was not seaworthy as described. You could not even state what your version of the Flood is. All that you could do was to admit that it was not global.

Here is an easy one. Did the Flood kill everyone in the world except for Noah's family?

Exactly so. It is just as reasonable to say that there was no world wide flood of water as it is to say that there was no world wide flood of molasses.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Then tell us all of the details.

You don't need to know the details.
All you need to know is that God caused it to rain heavily and Noah was saved from drowning because he built a boat as instructed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't need to know the details.
All you need to know is that God caused it to rain heavily and Noah was saved from drowning because he built a boat as instructed.

You need them. You need to have them if you want to claim that it is more than a myth.

By the way, this is how people that are pushing a false story tend to react.

 

[muhammad_isa]

By the way, this is how people that are pushing a false story tend to react.

Well, I must be pushing "a false story" along with all the other Muslims

Intelligence can be a curse, if used unwisely.
I am attracted towards "hearts" .. but having "brains" alongside is good too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, I must be pushing "a false story" along with all the other Muslims

Intelligence can be a curse, if used unwisely.
I am attracted towards "hearts" .. but having "brains" alongside is good too.

I would not claim that all Muslims are this ignorant, but a good number of them are likely to have the same flaws in reasoning as you do.

But at least you seem to see your problem at the end. There may be hope for you yet.

 

[Brian2]

Actually, it does in that instinct is basically "genetically programmed morality". But we also know that some animals are "delinquents" that don't follow suit. Also, we know that with primates, decisions are often made that at least are not genetically programmed as they can reason.

Yes it certainly looks as if some animals know something about good and evil. But whether it is good and evil for them is another question.

 

[Brian2]

Not enough water molecules.

There was no reason for floods to cover the mountains and even the local (imo) flood in Genesis does not need to be translated to say that the mountains were covered.
There is of course a lot of water in the mantle of the earth if necessary, and maybe that is where the water came from, from the fountains of the the great deep.

 

[Brian2]

The problem is that there was no worldwide flood. And a local flood would refute the supposed reasons for a flood in the first place. If you make your flood too violent it destroys the Ark and everything in it, though of course the Ark was not seaworthy as described. You could not even state what your version of the Flood is. All that you could do was to admit that it was not global.

Here is an easy one. Did the Flood kill everyone in the world except for Noah's family?

Yes I can't put all the pieces together but I can look at evidence of flooding at that time over the earth and in the ANE and even look at cultural stories, some of which could be about that flooding.
I don't think that the flood killed everyone in the world except Noah's family.

 

[rational experiences]

God the terms highest greatest didn't create us.

Stated by men about science gods earth greatest is planet rock. Zero space womb held.

Gods heavenly inherited greatest is natural immaculate light. As immaculate was sacrificed into alight immaculate cooled also...to help above keeping below safe.

Gods.

So we don't belong to God. We live protected by God only.

Parents came out of the eternal body as eternal beings. Oscillating vibrating water oxygenated mass changed their eternal bodies.

Became human biology with waters heavens mass trapped inside their changed spirit bodies. How it was held inside.

As we dont belong in creation we die.

We learnt why by baby to adult life. The messages expressed in every humans experience ever lived. Told the story. As messages. Over conscious experience.

Space was removed burnt out eternal mass. Planets gases filled back in the space gap between planet and eternal.

We came from spirit and had nothing to do with creation mass or gases forming via space history.

Therefore scientists agreed to stop Calling gas a spirit. It's correct term is a gas.

 

[rational experiences]

There was no reason for floods to cover the mountains and even the local (imo) flood in Genesis does not need to be translated to say that the mountains were covered.
There is of course a lot of water in the mantle of the earth if necessary, and maybe that is where the water came from, from the fountains of the the great deep.

The flood...flooding rains clouds covered over the scorched burning disintegrating mass melting of the mountain face. Law stone broken of God as predicted by man's science prophet maths calculus pyramid.∆ fake mountain...moved real mountains mass.

Covered face flooding by rain law broken. It rained over the mountains for a human count of 40 days. Termed flooding it didnt stop raining.

Flooding cools heavens burning gases.

The floods receded as it went into opened sink holes that link to a huge cavernous underground fresh water body

That flows fresh water under the sea water.

It hence can flood from beneath the earth as the firmament of earth also.

 

[ppp]

There was no reason for floods to cover the mountains and even the local (imo) flood in Genesis does not need to be translated to say that the mountains were covered.

Lol. You can translate it any way you want to fit your needs of the moment. Why let a little reality get in your way?

There is of course a lot of water in the mantle of the earth if necessary, and maybe that is where the water came from, from the fountains of the the great deep.

No.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes it certainly looks as if some animals know something about good and evil. But whether it is good and evil for them is another question.

That knowledge is not necessary. Evolution explains it better.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes I can't put all the pieces together but I can look at evidence of flooding at that time over the earth and in the ANE and even look at cultural stories, some of which could be about that flooding.
I don't think that the flood killed everyone in the world except Noah's family.

No, you cannot look at the evidence because you do not understand it. Like most science deniers you do not even understand the concept.

Why do you keep refusing to give your version of the myth?

 

[Brian2]

Lol. You can translate it any way you want to fit your needs of the moment. Why let a little reality get in your way?

No.

Why let the truth spoil a good story?
But yes there is plenty of water in the earth mantle.