Wildswanderer
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God created Adam and Eve perfectly but they only had one choice that could result in death and that is what they chose.
God didn't create robots. Would you prefer to be a robot?
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Why did God create us
- Thread starter Madmogwai
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God didn't create robots. Would you prefer to be a robot?
Dao Hao Now
Active Member
I didn’t ask you what your theories are…..
I asked you how you came to your theories?…
What path did you follow to determine your theories?….
What led you to believe your theories?
Madmogwai
Madmogwai
I cannot imagine existing in an empty void, that’s why I believe he created things
Madmogwai
Madmogwai
Well don’t punish them for exercising the free will he gave them
Do you believe God created all things?
Bree
Active Member
I think you will appreciate this passage of scripture from the bible
Isaiah 40:18 And to whom can YOU people liken God,*+ and what likeness can YOU put alongside him?+ ...
...22 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth,+ the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell,....
25 “But to whom can YOU people liken me so that I should be made his equal?” says the Holy One.+ 26 “Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things?+ It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them (the stars in the universe) even by number, all of whom he calls even by name.+ Due to the abundance of dynamic energy,*+ he also being vigorous in power,* not one [of them] is missing.
God has no form and we humans are in a physical form so of course we are not in 'his image' in the physical sense.... but we are in a spiritual sense. Only the human creation has the mind to think like God and to appreciate the qualities of God. No other animal on earth participates in any form of worship. for this reason, Gods law forbade the creating of idols and images....nothing can look like God and interestingly, every creation on the earth has been given to mankind as an inheritance. Its all been made for us so we were instructed never to worship anything under the heavens.
Deut 4:15 “And YOU must take good care of YOUR souls,+ because YOU did not see any form+ on the day of Jehovah’s speaking to YOU in Hoʹreb out of the middle of the fire, 16 that YOU may not act ruinously+ and may not really make for yourselves a carved image, the form of any symbol, the representation of male or female,+ 17 the representation of any beast that is in the earth,+ the representation of any winged bird that flies in the heavens,+ 18 the representation of anything moving on the ground, the representation of any fish+ that is in the waters under the earth; 19 and that you may not raise your eyes to the heavens and indeed see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the army of the heavens, and actually get seduced and bow down to them and serve them,*+ which Jehovah your God has apportioned to all the peoples under the whole heavens.+
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
So, don't punish them for doing the one thing they were told not to do? They could make lots of free will choices without violating that one rule.
Dao Hao Now
Active Member
Ah, the ol’ argument from personal incredulity.
Argument from incredulity - Wikipedia
So, this may in your mind get you to God creating things
How did you determine the details about this god?
That it(?) has no genitalia, has unlimited power, who can be everywhere simultaneously and is immortal would at some stage become bored, can experience joy, has created life on many planets, creates with thought, doesn’t require a body, can simply will itself somewhere.
Thats a lot of details to derive from “not being able to imagine a void”, wouldn’t you say.
Might it be more accurate to say all these things are what you imagine as opposed to what you believe.
Or do you believe everything you imagine?
Madmogwai
Madmogwai
You know most of these things are written in Religious texts.
The only one I imagined and your right it is what I imagine the case to be, why would God have a body like ours, I imagine this because it makes no sense.
It is all a theory, do you think I’m so Arrogant as to claim any of it as a fact, it’s a theory and as a Buddhist I don’t claim it to be so until I see it.
Everything in the Bible and Quran is a theory made from what men imagined.
They claim their theories are factual by faith, I at least don’t claim it’s fact, it may all be wrong but it’s something I have pondered and think if God exists which I cannot be sure he does or doesn’t, this may be what he thinks, why he creates us, why would he have a human body.
You are correct it is something I Imagined I never claimed otherwise but perhaps I should have been clearer.
Madmogwai
Madmogwai
Ok so does the Bible state men are created in his image, let me know please.
Madmogwai
Madmogwai
1 Rule you say, the Bible is packed full of rules and not just the Ten Commandments.
They were given free will, then a set of rules and punished if they use their free will to make a decision to oppose the rules.
Surely a God would not be so ignorant as to give free will and expect them not to exercise it.
He essentially gave free will then says don’t use it in this case and that case, of coarse they will it’s in their nature and he provided that will.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Except we know that is not true. There never were only two people.
Brian2
Veteran Member
In the Garden of Eden there was just one prohibition. I presume that was there to help teach people how to use their wills responsibly.
When the humans did not use their wills responsibly they suffered the consequences that God said would ensue.
All humans suffered those same consequences because we all were barred from the tree of life and so we all die.
At the same time all humans gained a knowledge of right and wrong and instead of just one prohibition we were all being bombarded with many prohibitions in our new found knowledge of good and evil. It is no wonder we have not been able to handle it and have all done what is wrong many times and all also deserve that death sentence which Adam and Eve had.
So we were stuck in our inability to do the right thing all the time and so our deserving of death.
So God needed to send us a saviour to get us out of that mess.
Bree
Active Member
God said: “Let us make man in our image according to our likeness.” Ge 1:26
We've established that God has no form or physical body, so it stands to reason that the 'image' of God is in a similar way. It has to be invisible.
Do we have an invisible part to us? Yes we do. Our mind and conscience works as an abstract or invisible/intangible part of us. Our body is certainly physical, but our inner person is not.
Adam was imbued with the divine attributes of love, wisdom, justice, and power. These attributes are intangible and invisible and they are the 4 attributes of God himself.
And we were created with a conscience that could make make moral judgements. Humans are the only creature on earth with this ability. Animals are not driven by their conscience the way we are.
Does that answer your question?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
And you know this because you were there I guess. Just how old are you?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No. I know of this because of another concept that you do not understand. I know this because of evidence.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
As far as expecting Adam and Eve to exercise free will, that goes with the territory. In other words, they had quite a bit of freedom. Even children know they could not easily jump off a roof and think they might not get hurt. So there are differences of freedom. But the first man and woman were in a beautiful setting, where God placed them. They had food to eat, I'm sure it was delicious. They were just beginning their lives in a sense, even though they did not begin as babies. Genesis 2 brings out that Adam had exciting and pleasurable work to do.
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name."
So Adam had pleasant work to do, but also given the opportunity to name each animal.
syo
Well-Known Member
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Depends whose evidence you accept.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Incorrect. You also refuse to learn what qualifies as evidence. A proper definition is not prejudiced for either side.
You need to remember that when discussing the Bible it is not evidence. It is the claim.