quick said:Frankly, in everything we do, we believe in and live pursuant to causation. It is much more logical and consistent with this inescapable world view to attribute creation to a cause, God, than to attribute creation to its own independent existence.
Give me a ****** break. If it's illogical to attribute creation to its own independent existence, then the same ****** argument should hold for God. Yet I am sure that you believe God has always existed and always will exist, that nothing caused his existence. Thus, you have to either accept your premise and hold that the concept of God is also illogical, or drop that premise and hold that it is possible for creation to have its own independent existence.