Why Did Jesus Sweat Blood?

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Luke 22 42- 44 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

King James 1611 Version

This is an exceedingly interesting scene, Christ is praying that this cup is removed, an Angel is even sent to strengthen Him, He is in agony to the point of sweating blood.

Why do you think this is? What was at stake here? What cup did he wan't to have removed if at all possible?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Sweating blood is perfectly natural when someone is under extreme stress.

However, your translation makes it unclear - it's a simile. It doesn't say that he sweat blood, but his sweat was falling like blood. Big difference.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Sweating blood is perfectly natural when someone is under extreme stress.

However, your translation makes it unclear - it's a simile. It doesn't say that he sweat blood, but his sweat was falling like blood. Big difference.

Are we agreed that he was under extreme stress?

The question I am asking is why?

As far as the "your translation" point, that's a whole other ball of wax. A very serious one indeed I might add. For now can we stick with the question at hand if at all possible?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Are we agreed that he was under extreme stress?

The question I am asking is why?

As far as the "your translation" point, that's a whole other ball of wax. A very serious one indeed I might add. For now can we stick with the question at hand if at all possible?

Well, your question was why did he sweat blood, and your translation doesn't even say that he did.

Why is a moot point if he never did what you say in your question...

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Well, your question was why did he sweat blood, and your translation doesn't even say that he did.

Why is a moot point if he never did what you say in your question...

Since you are a staff member and have the power to bann me without reason, I shall very respectfully say yes sir no sir three bags full sir.

God bless you- way to derail a thread.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Since you are a staff member and have the power to bann me without reason, I shall very respectfully say yes sir no sir three bags full sir.

God bless you- way to derail a thread.

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[angellous_evangellous]

God bless you- way to derail a thread.

Now this is unfounded and baseless. I am directly addressing your OP.

You ask:

King James 1611 Version

This is an exceedingly interesting scene, Christ is praying that this cup is removed, an Angel is even sent to strengthen Him, He is in agony to the point of sweating blood.

Why do you think this is? What was at stake here? What cup did he wan't to have removed if at all possible?

Well, the text doesn't say that he sweat blood, so "why" is not an issue.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Now this is unfounded and baseless. I am directly addressing your OP.

You ask:



Well, the text doesn't say that he sweat blood, so "why" is not an issue.

That's what I thought, I agree 100% with you. Im not sure what came over me. What was I thinking? Have a nice day.

Blessing in the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Pegg]

King James 1611 Version

This is an exceedingly interesting scene, Christ is praying that this cup is removed, an Angel is even sent to strengthen Him, He is in agony to the point of sweating blood.

Why do you think this is? What was at stake here? What cup did he wan't to have removed if at all possible?

the 'cup' that he prayed to have removed was Gods will. Jesus said many times that he had come to do Gods will. That will was that a perfect living man was to be put to the ultimate test in order to redeem mankind from sin and death.

He knew that he was about to be executed, he knew that if he failed in any way at all, the lives of all mankind could be in jeopardy. You see, the role of Jesus as a sacrifice was for a twofold purpose.

1st and foremost it was to settle a claim made by Gods enemy Satan. He claimed that mankind are flawed and that they are not capable or willing to serve God out of love. That they will not be obedient even when they are put to the test.
So Jesus knew that he must remain perfectly obedient to God under the most extreme trial he was about to face. He was to be put thru torture and he knew that he needed to maintain Gods standards perfectly to succeed. If he retaliated in any way at all, then he would have failed and proven that Satans claim that mankind are flawed was true.

2ndly, he knew that if he did fail, then mankind would be forever condemned to live and die as imperfect people separated from God and unable to be redeemed from death and sin.


so a lot was resting on his shoulders and he certainly knew it. His sweat was said to become as 'drops of blood' which is a known condition when someone comes under extreme stress. Its a condition called Hematidrosis.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

the 'cup' that he prayed to have removed was Gods will. Jesus said many times that he had come to do Gods will. That will was that a perfect living man was to be put to the ultimate test in order to redeem mankind from sin and death.

He knew that he was about to be executed, he knew that if he failed in any way at all, the lives of all mankind could be in jeopardy. You see, the role of Jesus as a sacrifice was for a twofold purpose.

1st and foremost it was to settle a claim made by Gods enemy Satan. He claimed that mankind are flawed and that they are not capable or willing to serve God out of love. That they will not be obedient even when they are put to the test.
So Jesus knew that he must remain perfectly obedient to God under the most extreme trial he was about to face. He was to be put thru torture and he knew that he needed to maintain Gods standards perfectly to succeed. If he retaliated in any way at all, then he would have failed and proven that Satans claim that mankind are flawed was true.

2ndly, he knew that if he did fail, then mankind would be forever condemned to live and die as imperfect people separated from God and unable to be redeemed from death and sin.


so a lot was resting on his shoulders and he certainly knew it. His sweat was said to become as 'drops of blood' which is a known condition when someone comes under extreme stress. Its a condition called Hematidrosis.

Perfect answer - thanks very much for the response

I was reading an excellent book by Oswald Chambers recently - he pointed out that Christ wasnt worried about going to the cross and the pain or anything like that, He was worried about not getting through as "the son of man" (not the son of God) because it was possible for Him to die as "the son of God", and not "the son of man", which would not have saved us, he had to die as the son of man to save us. Which I found to be a fascinating incite into what was going on here, because when you think about, why would God in the flesh need to be worried about anything? It was himself as a man - and not God that was worrying him so much, this was where he thought He may have failed and Satan new that too.

 

[Pegg]

Perfect answer - thanks very much for the response

I was reading an excellent book by Oswald Chambers recently - he pointed out that Christ wasnt worried about going to the cross and the pain or anything like that, He was worried about not getting through as "the son of man" (not the son of God) because it was possible for Him to die as "the son of God", and not "the son of man", which would not have saved us, he had to die as the son of man to save us. Which I found to be a fascinating incite into what was going on here, because when you think about, why would God in the flesh need to be worried about anything? It was himself as a man - and not God that was worrying him so much, this was where he thought He may have failed and Satan new that too.

No problem.

although, i know a lot of christians teach that Jesus was God in the flesh, but I dont believe that to be the case. In that account itself, Jesus shows that what he was about to go through was not his own will but rather the will of God. So if he really was God, then the fact that the disciples wrote such a comment would be completely absurd. It shows that the disciples believed Jesus and God to be separate individuals...not the same individual.

I agree with your further statement that he had to die as a 'son of man' The apostles also reasoned this same way when they linked Jesus with the first man Adam.

Romans 5:18 So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, likewise also through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is a declaring of them righteous for life. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of the one [person] many will be constituted righteous"

If we are to remain children of Adam, then we will be condemned in the same way Adam is condemned. But if we choose to take Jesus as our father, then we will receive the same reward that he received from God....namely, life.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

King James 1611 Version
This is an exceedingly interesting scene, Christ is praying that this cup is removed, an Angel is even sent to strengthen Him, He is in agony to the point of sweating blood.
Why do you think this is? What was at stake here? What cup did he wan't to have removed if at all possible?

Three times Jesus prayed the 'cup' or portion be removed.
Jesus did not want to die labeled as a blasphemer, or one that curses God, that [cup/portion] was almost too much for Jesus to bear.
Jesus grief was agony. A tremendous burden placed such an enormous emotional stress on Jesus that Jesus was exhausted from such sheer grief and intense nervous strain or torment because Jesus had free will.
Jesus had a choice. Unlike a human in prison or in a concentration camp that could not free oneself, Jesus had the power to walk away from his captives leaving us in the lurch. Jesus own future life too would personally depend on his own course of action that day. Because of God's mercy Jesus was sent an angel to strengthen Jesus. Jesus bloody sweat deadened the sensitivity of his nerves by a medical condition called Hematohidrosis or bloody sweat,

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

No problem.

although, i know a lot of christians teach that Jesus was God in the flesh, but I dont believe that to be the case. In that account itself, Jesus shows that what he was about to go through was not his own will but rather the will of God. So if he really was God, then the fact that the disciples wrote such a comment would be completely absurd. It shows that the disciples believed Jesus and God to be separate individuals...not the same individual.

I agree with your further statement that he had to die as a 'son of man' The apostles also reasoned this same way when they linked Jesus with the first man Adam.

Romans 5:18 So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, likewise also through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is a declaring of them righteous for life. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of the one [person] many will be constituted righteous"

If we are to remain children of Adam, then we will be condemned in the same way Adam is condemned. But if we choose to take Jesus as our father, then we will receive the same reward that he received from God....namely, life.

Yes I saw from your title you are Jehovahs witness which is why your answer was even more thrilling. Of all the Jehovahs witnesses
I have ever met, you are all lovely people. That said I have requested that the local assembly stop calling on my home - which they have been respectful of.

You have a wonderful grasp of the scripture, although we Christians don't refer to Jesus as our father as you have said we dont believe he is an Angel.

In my opinion the dividng line across all religious thought is the answer to, "who do you say jesus Christ is." On that basis one could argue there are only two religions in the world.

Those who believe Jesus Christ is and was who he said he was and therefore the only way to heaven, and off course all those who don't.

Kind of a simple annaology not designed to anger any one, but it does tend to have that effect on some, includung professing Christians who illedgedy preach the christian gospel - watch this space!

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Three times Jesus prayed the 'cup' or portion be removed.
Jesus did not want to die labeled as a blasphemer, or one that curses God, that [cup/portion] was almost too much for Jesus to bear.
Jesus grief was agony. A tremendous burden placed such an enormous emotional stress on Jesus that Jesus was exhausted from such sheer grief and intense nervous strain or torment because Jesus had free will.
Jesus had a choice. Unlike a human in prison or in a concentration camp that could not free oneself, Jesus had the power to walk away from his captives leaving us in the lurch. Jesus own future life too would personally depend on his own course of action that day. Because of God's mercy Jesus was sent an angel to strengthen Jesus. Jesus bloody sweat deadened the sensitivity of his nerves by a medical condition called Hematohidrosis or bloody sweat,

An interesting take on the subject and very well expressed, thanks for that.

 

[luvuyesua]

Jesus also felt he needed more time to teach much more.
some seeds that he planted are barely reeping and being seen and understood. muaaaa to Jesus, the closed scroll that he was given, before coming, also is admiring, a form of trust to our father, he didnt even know what it consisted of and took the mission.

may your thoughts be blessed

 

[Pegg]

Yes I saw from your title you are Jehovahs witness which is why your answer was even more thrilling. Of all the Jehovahs witnesses
I have ever met, you are all lovely people. That said I have requested that the local assembly stop calling on my home - which they have been respectful of.

You have a wonderful grasp of the scripture, although we Christians don't refer to Jesus as our father as you have said we dont believe he is an Angel.

In my opinion the dividng line across all religious thought is the answer to, "who do you say jesus Christ is." On that basis one could argue there are only two religions in the world.

Those who believe Jesus Christ is and was who he said he was and therefore the only way to heaven, and off course all those who don't.

Kind of a simple annaology not designed to anger any one, but it does tend to have that effect on some, includung professing Christians who illedgedy preach the christian gospel - watch this space!

thank you for the compliment.


And I agree, the issue of Jesus true identity is certainly a very divisive issue. If it was as clear cut as simply to say 'yes' or 'no' then it would not be an issue. But the fact is that the scriptures used to prove the trinity are quite dubious and the teaching itself creates a long list of biblical contradictions.

It also creates an enigma with regard to the identity of YHWH (Jehovah) of the Hebrew scriptures. The hebrew scriptures are all about that him, but the new testament is all about Jesus. The problem is that the Messiah was said to lead people back to the God of the hebrew scriptures....not draw them away from him.

 

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thank you for the compliment.


And I agree, the issue of Jesus true identity is certainly a very divisive issue. If it was as clear cut as simply to say 'yes' or 'no' then it would not be an issue. But the fact is that the scriptures used to prove the trinity are quite dubious and the teaching itself creates a long list of biblical contradictions.

It also creates an enigma with regard to the identity of YHWH (Jehovah) of the Hebrew scriptures. The hebrew scriptures are all about that him, but the new testament is all about Jesus. The problem is that the Messiah was said to lead people back to the God of the hebrew scriptures....not draw them away from him.

Your welcome.

I'm sorry I dont agree that the doctrine of the trinity is unclear in scripture at all.

It is even less ambiguous as to his status as an angel.

Jehovahs Witness are one of the few, if not the only religion outside of Isalm with their Koran who have written their own version of Scripture - The New World Translation is not the bible. I haven't read one but I have no doubt that the trinity is obscured if not intirely removed and of course Jesus will be no doubt be clearly depicted as an Angel or satan's brother or some such thing like that.

Having said that other than the King James Version of the hebrew and greek scriptures in English there aren't many so called "versions" of scripture that have not tampered with the doctrine of the trinity and the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

The funadamental (also a word people have twsited to mean evil and crazy) truth of the Christian Gospel is the Deity of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh and his blood that redeems mankind of his sin.

Its is becoming less and and less popular to believe this, and I fear as time marches on, it will become more and more dangerous to believe this, as in fact it has been through out history. I think the death toll is up around 100 million believers have been put to death for not recanting a simple faith that Christ is God and Christ alone is saviour and the only way to heaven.

However while there is still such a thing as a Christian Forum in Religious threads, I will still throw in my 2 cents worth as to what is the genuine true Christian faith. just as long a I can get away with it. But sadly that window of opportunity is fast being closed down.

 

[Pegg]

Your welcome.

I'm sorry I dont agree that the doctrine of the trinity is unclear in scripture at all.

It is even less ambiguous as to his status as an angel.

Jehovahs Witness are one of the few, if not the only religion outside of Isalm with their Koran who have written their own version of Scripture - The New World Translation is not the bible. I haven't read one but I have no doubt that the trinity is obscured if not intirely removed and of course Jesus will be no doubt be clearly depicted as an Angel or satan's brother or some such thing like that.

I would encourage you to read a new world translation of the bible and compare it to whatever bible you use. Im confident that you will find that it is not only a bible, but its translation from the original languages makes it the best bible available.

And just so you understand, JW's used the KJV up until the 1950's when the NWT was produced. We didnt believe the trinity doctrine right from when the church was founded in the late 1800's....so our lack of belief in the trinity did not stem from our NWT bible.

Having said that other than the King James Version of the hebrew and greek scriptures in English there aren't many so called "versions" of scripture that have not tampered with the doctrine of the trinity and the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

I agree, but if anything, the tampering has been in 'adding' phrases that appear to promote the trinity doctrine rather then a removal of it.
Also, the KJV is not based on the original writings. Its a translation made from an existing english translation.

The funadamental (also a word people have twsited to mean evil and crazy) truth of the Christian Gospel is the Deity of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh and his blood that redeems mankind of his sin.

We also believe this. Jesus was a god in the true sense of the word. John discussed his divinity in John1. We know that Jesus was of divine nature and that he existed with God, and that he was the very first being that God created. We also know that all other things came into existence thru Jesus, so he was instrumental in the creation of all things.

But the fact that Jesus is called 'Gods only begotten son' means that he had a beginning. God himself is said to be eternal and without a beginning, but Jesus is said to have a beginning. So its impossible for us to believe that Jesus is the same God who is spoken of as eternal.

Its is becoming less and and less popular to believe this, and I fear as time marches on, it will become more and more dangerous to believe this, as in fact it has been through out history. I think the death toll is up around 100 million believers have been put to death for not recanting a simple faith that Christ is God and Christ alone is saviour and the only way to heaven.

You are right in that Christ is the savior and that it is only through him that salvation comes, but from my understanding of history, it was in fact those who promoted the idea of the trinity who killed christians who refused to accept the teaching. Those who did not accept the new teaching were expelled from the 3rd/4th century churches' as heretics.

If you do a bit of research, you'll find that the 'early church fathers' of the 2nd century did not teach the trinity. They taught that Jesus was in a subordinate position to the father. They taught that Jesus and the Father are separate individuals. The trinity teaching came along in the 3rd/4th centuries...hence why many early christians rejected the idea.

 

[.lava]

Sweating blood is perfectly natural when someone is under extreme stress.

i've heard people could tear blood as they cry. but this? seriously? is it physically possible?

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I

would encourage you to read a new world translation of the bible and compare it to whatever bible you use. Im confident that you will find that it is not only a bible, but its translation from the original languages makes it the best bible available.

Pardon my ignorance, my appologies there.

And just so you understand, JW's used the KJV up until the 1950's when the NWT was produced. We didnt believe the trinity doctrine right from when the church was founded in the late 1800's....so our lack of belief in the trinity did not stem from our NWT bible.

Agian I didn't know either that, my appologies

I agree, but if anything, the tampering has been in 'adding' phrases that appear to promote the trinity doctrine rather then a removal of it.
Also, the KJV is not based on the original writings. Its a translation made from an existing english translation.

I dont agree with the tampering part to add favoruable scriptures to the trinity, nor do I believe the KJV was taken from other translations - it was taken from the Greek and Hebrew and possibly built upon the work of other translations. It was not the only translation of course just one more translation.

That said, that Christ was and is God the son and the son of God is not even up for debate.

We also believe this. Jesus was a god in the true sense of the word. John discussed his divinity in John1. We know that Jesus was of divine nature and that he existed with God, and that he was the very first being that God created. We also know that all other things came into existence thru Jesus, so he was instrumental in the creation of all things.

I know the NWT changed "in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God" -to "the word was a god" - very subtle and very sinister indeed if you ask me.

But the fact that Jesus is called 'Gods only begotten son' means that he had a beginning. God himself is said to be eternal and without a beginning, but Jesus is said to have a beginning. So its impossible for us to believe that Jesus is the same God who is spoken of as eternal.

Impossible to you maybe. The bible perverters change "begotten" to "only" - which is also a very subtle change - begotten is an important word, it doesnt refute the trinity. I am God's son, so Jesus is not Gods only son.

You are right in that Christ is the savior and that it is only through him that salvation comes, but from my understanding of history, it was in fact those who promoted the idea of the trinity who killed christians who refused to accept the teaching. Those who did not accept the new teaching were expelled from the 3rd/4th century churches' as heretics.

Salvation comes through believing not just in Jesus Christ, but in believing who and what He was and is. Satan himself believes in Jesus Christ and knows that He is mans only saviour, but is satan saved?

If you do a bit of research, you'll find that the 'early church fathers' of the 2nd century did not teach the trinity. They taught that Jesus was in a subordinate position to the father. They taught that Jesus and the Father are separate individuals. The trinity teaching came along in the 3rd/4th centuries...hence why many early christians rejected the idea.

Christ God, in the flesh made himself even lower than the Angels (subordinate to) - this does not make him in any way subordinate to God, because obvioulsy God can not be suboridinate to himself. Christ is exalted above all else in heaven, He is the light of the world, all things where created by him through Him and for Him.

Jesus Christ is reality and he transcends reality. He is the only being to have lived in the actual world linking the natural world with the supernatural world.

I dont really buy into to whatthe illedged "church fathers" are purported to have said and belived, I just thank God that he has preserved His word in English as well as in the Greek and Hebrew. With out it, we would all be lost.

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