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My point was that some questions don't have logical or should I say factual answers to them.Why? The story of Satan's revolt is an actual story; the pot at the end of a rainbow is just an old superstition.
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My point was that some questions don't have logical or should I say factual answers to them.Why? The story of Satan's revolt is an actual story; the pot at the end of a rainbow is just an old superstition.
According to my understanding of the story (and admittedly, I haven't read Paradise Lost beyond the first few passages, and it's hard for me to make sense of them), Satan had a real superiority complex, and wanted to do the impossible: beat God.
My point was that some questions don't have logical or should I say factual answers to them.
Catechism of the Catholic Church said:II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS
391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
266 Cf. Gen 3:1-5; Wis 2:24.
267 Cf Jn 8:44; Rev 12:9.
268 Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 800.
269 Cf. 2 Pet 2:4.
270 Gen 3:5.
271 1 Jn 3:8; Jn 8:44.
272 St. John Damascene, De Fide orth. 2,4: PG 94,877.
273 Jn 8:44; cf. Mt 4:1-11.
274 1 Jn 3:8.
275 Rom 8:28.
391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
My point was that some questions don't have logical or should I say factual answers to them.
That's less of a superiority complex and more of insanity.
What's the difference?
How did God not see this one coming?
So wouldn't that fall under incompetence? Or does God not take such things into consideration?
Maybe he did.
Who knows the will of God?
Riverwolf said:According to my understanding of the story (and admittedly, I haven't read Paradise Lost beyond the first few passages, and it's hard for me to make sense of them), Satan had a real superiority complex, and wanted to do the impossible: beat God.
Riverwolf said:Who knows the will of God?
Then wouldn't he have been aware of the human fall before it happened?
..."Paradise Lost"???? Is that part of the Biblical canon now?
Or perhaps no such God exists?
Heres my question..... is God not all knopwing and powerful? How could anyone even betray such a being?