Why did the Prophet Mohammad (s) marry Aisha at a very young age?

[firedragon]

To say something is baseless you actually have to prove that. All you have to do is scroll up. When was the last time you used as proof anything other than your own reasoning? We don't think as highly of it as you do. If you expect us to, it is only reasonable that you accept everything we say as factual as well, but you're always demanding proof.

Nope. When you make a claim, you have to prove it with specific example. Burden of proof fallacy. Otherwise its of course baseless.

 

[viole]

No. Didn't you check the definition?

You get arrested for doing that here. Can you do it over there?

ciao

- viole

 

[Shakeel]

Nope. When you make a claim, you have to prove it with specific example. Burden of proof fallacy. Otherwise its of course baseless.

There's a big difference between something being baseless and you not knowing of proof for it. One is an objective fact and the other is just your situation.

So what about your proof for those thousands of claims of yours - they don't need proof? Can you see your hypocrisy at all?

 

[Shakeel]

You get arrested for doing that here. Can you do it over there?

ciao

- viole

By now you have to verify what you're talking about.

 

[Clara Tea]

The truth is it was a similar action as Khidr killing a child and a similar action as Yusuf framing his brothers. The wisdom was to try Abu Bakr who would become Gog after the uncle of the Prophet, and take that position of Abu Lahab. The reason can be seen in Surah Tahrim, where Aisha chooses to side with the Prophet after he informs that he is aware of their plans, and she wondered who informed him of it and realized it can be only God as no one would have spilled the information from those planning against the Prophet (S) . This was a way to show the Prophet was constantly aware of Gog and Magog and aware of the Abu Lahab of the time even if that person claims to be Muslim and believer. In chapter 4 of Quran, it alludes that the person Satan has chosen to be Qareen of had spent much money but to show off and that God would have accepted the action if they believed in God and Last day and did out of pure intention. But it was to show off, and contend the Ulil-Amr from this nation.

Discussions of who married whom are essentially gossip.

You won't hear me repeating gossip (so listen closely the first time).

Killing a child and framing a brother are much different than marrying. Marriage is a union of equal partners who share in the authority of marriage. "Take out the trash" is a common request from wives in Muslim marriages. With a harem of many wives, this can get a bit exhausting.

The same could be said for a British tar (sailor)....as free as a mountain bird...though one would think that they have to obey orders.

We shouldn't be too agog at the Gog and Magog, since that is in the distant future.

One should not show off with money. The royal family of Saudi Arabia spends much money on fancy jewels, cars, American prostitutes, narcotics, and booze. Are they icons of morality? While Arab loyalty live high lives, their people suffer with tainted water, sickness, and a lack of modern electricity.

 

[Clara Tea]

According to the fabricated and false hadiths prophet Muhammad had sex with her when she was only 9 years old.

This is a big lie. It is a hadith fabricated by the enemies of Islam and Prophet Muhammad. They tried to attack prophet Muhammad moral character.

Prophet Muhammad NEVER had sex with a 9 year old child. And God would never allow it.
Prophet Muhammad is against child marriage, read the Quran and you Will see the truth.

God and Prophet Muhammad is against child marriage (especially a little child on only 9 years old) because it is against reason and morality. It is against divine wisdom and love. God and Prophet Muhammad is against it because a 9 years old have high risk of dying in child Birth!! Because the body to a 9 year old is not big enough and strong enough to giving birth!!

In his defense, she was built like she was 10.

Today, in the middle east, it is common to see child prostitutes (both male and female).

Surely, in a moral land, morality reigns.

 

[Clara Tea]

I agree with you that Prophet (s) didn't have sex with a 9 year old. But there has to be some truth to all these reports. A lot of the reports just talk about marriage at age 6 and don't mention when he had sex (which no one can know anyways, and it would be a lie they make up). Some of them do mention the 9 thing, but those are obviously lies by some narrator in those hadiths.

If children were born of the union, one might get a slight hint.

 

[Clara Tea]

It is on the basis that the Quran was revealed by God. And the Quran do not support child marriage.

The Quran was written down when prophet Muhammad was alive. The hadiths is written 200 years after prophet Muhammad's death

Hmm....a miracle.

 

[Clara Tea]

1. Who narrated this hadith? What is the sanad?
2. Are there contradicting ahadith about her age of marriage? What are they and why do they contradict?
3. What is balaghul nikah as per the Qur'an and how do you reconcile with the mathn of the ahadith?

To address this, these are just 3 things out of many you have to consider. Lets see your answers.

Neufchatel goes with balaghuls.

 

[Clara Tea]

The Qur'an very clearly sets no age limit to marriage at all.

Marriage isn't necessarily about sex. It is largely about trust (akin to faith, but faith in one's partner). That faith can start even before marriage (in fact, it is a necessity to get be properly married).

In the old days, couples were joined by their parents. Those were, at first, loveless and trustless unions. Yet, with time, the couples often grew to love one another.

 

[firedragon]

There's a big difference between something being baseless and you not knowing of proof for it. One is an objective fact and the other is just your situation.

So what about your proof for those thousands of claims of yours - they don't need proof? Can you see your hypocrisy at all?

Nothing specific. Baseless.

 

[firedragon]

Neufchatel goes with balaghuls.

Didnt get it

 

[Suave]

God is against child marriage (especially against to constumate a marriage with a little girl on only 9 years old). Do you know why?

It is because if a adult have sex with a 9 year old girl and the girl become pregnant then she may die in child Birth!! The risk of her dying in child Birth is very very high. Because a 9 year old child have not a body that is big enough and strong enough to give Birth!!

Lina Marcela Medina de Jurado of Lima Peru became the youngest mother in history, she was just 5 years 8 months 21 days old when she gave birth to her son Gerardo Medina. Lina Marcela Medina de Jurado is now age 87, and she has never revealed who impregnated her before she was 5 years old. Her son Gerardo passed away at age 40.

If there has been a 5 year old pubescent female, then Aisha could have been well past puberty at age 9.

 

[danieldemol]

Generally as I said, people see others and think others just like themselves.

Theres an old saying that says "rogues see all others as rogues".

You made false arguments brother.

Nope, and I didn't call you a rogue I said you were overproducing strawmen.

@Shakeel was able to understand the nature of my post correctly in his post #89.

You were just misrepresenting my posts, perhaps because you did not understand them.

But anyway let's assume your interpretation of the Quran is correct.

That would only demonstrate what Muhammad preaches, not what He practices. I notice you did not answer my question on how many wives Muhammad had even though the Quran clearly preaches 4.

If Muhammad did not follow the Quran's law in one instance He may not have followed it other instances.

In my opinion.

 

[danieldemol]

Also @firedragon

Also I would like to note that although your interpretation of the Quran with respect to marriage age of 25 is an improvement over child marriage, it is not without its problems either.

For example why would a woman need prime strength and full growth rather than simply being above a minimum threshold necessary for good health of the Mother and child?

You would rob a woman of all but the final three of her best child bearing years.

Not only that why is a woman allowed to be married after her decline from prime strength but not before it. In either case she is not at prime strength. So why does it make sense to allow a 40 or 50 or 60 year old woman to marry but not an 18 year old?

Then there is the issue of many people who get married who do not give birth for personal reasons at all. Again if they have met a minimum threshold of maturity for capacity to understand what a contract involves why should they be barred from it till they have attained maximum growth/capacity?

Also if the age of full growth is 25 do you now need to adjust Aisha's age to match the Quranic teaching of full growth?

In my opinion

 

[firedragon]

Nope, and I didn't call you a rogue I said you were overproducing strawmen.

That was an idiom. An example of you.

But anyway let's assume your interpretation of the Quran is correct.

Sorry Daniel. I dont go with assumptions.

That would only demonstrate what Muhammad preaches, not what He practices. I notice you did not answer my question on how many wives Muhammad had even though the Quran clearly preaches 4.

If Muhammad did not follow the Quran's law in one instance He may not have followed it other instances.

First, you have to prove that he indeed went against the Quran with evidence. Also, this thread is not about how many wives, its about Aisha's age. Also, the problem is you have not read the Quran so you are making absurd assumptions and opinions.

Anyway,

1. I didnt say that the prophet didnt marry a child because the Quran says so. Thus, that is a strawman argument.
2. The Quran elsewhere clearly states the prophet marries "women", and that a prophet is given different regulations with taking wives.

Ask questions when you dont know something. Dont make claims which turn out to be absolutely bogus.

In my opinion.

Opinions made out of gas are baseless and useless. Its only a portrayal of your character. Rather, make opinions based on proper analysis, study and clarification.

Also if the age of full growth is 25 do you now need to adjust Aisha's age to match the Quranic teaching of full growth?

In my opinion

Thats not an opinion. Its a question. So I should note that you state "in my opinion" falsely, every time.

Also you should note, you can't adjust age of a by gone person. You can't even adjust a person of this era. Maybe if you demonstrate a scientific machine that adjusts ages I can think of how to time travel and do that with Aisha.

Also I would like to note that although your interpretation of the Quran with respect to marriage age of 25 is an improvement over child marriage, it is not without its problems either.

For example why would a woman need prime strength and full growth rather than simply being above a minimum threshold necessary for good health of the Mother and child?

You would rob a woman of all but the final three of her best child bearing years.

Not only that why is a woman allowed to be married after her decline from prime strength but not before it. In either case she is not at prime strength. So why does it make sense to allow a 40 or 50 or 60 year old woman to marry but not an 18 year old?

Then there is the issue of many people who get married who do not give birth for personal reasons at all. Again if they have met a minimum threshold of maturity for capacity to understand what a contract involves why should they be barred from it till they have attained maximum growth/capacity?

I think you should discuss this irrelevant topic in a new thread, also you should explain which age YOU think people should get married because clearly 25 which is an age you stated is not good for your. Maybe you think 40 or 50 is good. Or do you think they should never marry? Or do you believe they should marry at 18, 9, 15 or whatever age? You should discuss this in depth in a new thread. It will be interesting.

 

[danieldemol]

1. I didnt say that the prophet didnt marry a child because the Quran says so. Thus, that is a strawman argument.

Thank you for clarifying, so all these pages of back and forth on what Quran says age of marriage is are irrelevant to whether or not Muhammad may have consummated with a 9 year old.

Appears to be as I suspected.

In my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

Thank you for clarifying, so all these pages of back and forth on what Quran says age of marriage is are irrelevant to whether or not Muhammad may have consummated with a 9 year old.

Nope. See, you intentionally cherry picked the first point and ignored the second. So that's obviously dishonesty.

Also, this is what I said.

I didnt say that the prophet didnt marry a child because of the Quran. But of course, he would not violate the Quranic injunctions. Just because I didnt say it in this thread doesnt mean I believe it. You just used an argument that I didnt make.

All of your arguments are logically fallacious and absolutely false.

 

[danieldemol]

But of course, he would not violate the Quranic injunctions.

I have two questions for you
1. Do you believe the prophets are sinless?
2. Do you define sin as straying from the revealed law?

 

[firedragon]

I have two questions for you
1. Do you believe the prophets are sinless?
2. Do you define sin as straying from the revealed law?

Please open a new thread. Its irrelevant.