Why did WTC 7 Collapse from fire but not Grenfell Tower?

[Estro Felino]

I had taken the decision not to debate about Nine Eleven any more.
In the past, many years ago...I really was too passionate about this topic, on RF. And i did not like it.

But 20 years have passed since Nine Eleven.
I still think that the symmetry of the collapse (in the WTC7) is tremendously scary and unnatural.

Even engineers like Katie McGrade say that the symmetry is the smoking gun.

 

[Revoltingest]

I had taken the decision not to debate about Nine Eleven any more.
In the past, many years ago...I really was too passionate about this topic, on RF. And i did not like it.

But 20 years have passed since Nine Eleven.
I still think that the symmetry of the collapse (in the WTC7) is tremendously scary and unnatural.

Even engineers like Katie McGrade say that the symmetry is the smoking gun.

Whoever claims that that symmetry is natural or spontaneous, (allow my bluntness) is victim of Freudian denial.
A very serious psychological process.
Denial (Freud) - Wikipedia

Let's assume for the moment that she's right. (Although her
background is in metallurgy, not structural failure analysis).

For this to be controlled demolition by government operatives,
it would have to be a vast conspiracy with many people involved.
- Building managers would've allowed preparation for demolition
to proceed. This couldn't have been hidden from them, given how
invasive the lengthy preparations for controlled demolition are.
- Maintenance staff would've noticed preparations, & would've
alerted managers.
- Tenants would've noticed preparations, & some would've raised
questions.
- Building inspectors would have to be kept away, requiring that
department's management be in on the conspiracy.
- Government officials & employees in the program would of course
know what they were up to.
- Either the airline pilots or the hijackers would've been agents
of government.

This project would've involved a great many people to plan
& execute it. Yet none have stepped forward to blow the
whistle. No one felt grief at the horror they committed?
Nah....such a conspiracy would not remain secret.

A sample of preparation for controlled demolition....

 

[ronki23]

@Revoltingest do you know why Grenfell didn't collapse? I thought it was an internal fire just like the WTC ?

 

[exchemist]

@Subduction Zone

How did they know the identities of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 ? Because they didn't look at the manifesto until after the attack so how did they know which of the passengers hijacked the planes ?

Do stop purveying these idiotic conspiracy theories. This was 20 years ago now and it has all been done to death.

 

[ronki23]

Do stop purveying these idiotic conspiracy theories. This was 20 years ago now and it has all been done to death.

I'm labelled as an Islamaphobe because my Muslim 'friends' think it was inside job or Israel did it. Seriously, they can't even make their mind up on WHICH conspiracy to believe!

When it comes to Muslims i'm not part of the VIP club aka Islam.

As a Dharmic I can hold my hands up when my religion does wrong. An example is Hindus killing Sikhs in 1984 and Muslims in 2002 even though it was Congress goons
Nathuram Godse was also a Hindu terrorist but people wrongly say he's part of RSS when he was actually part of Hindu Mahasaba

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest do you know why Grenfell didn't collapse? I thought it was an internal fire just like the WTC ?

I am not familiar enuf to address it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Subduction Zone

How did they know the identities of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 ? Because they didn't look at the manifesto until after the attack so how did they know which of the passengers hijacked the planes ?

I don't know. They did have to buy tickets. And there was no video security even in those days. Asking questions is not evidence for a silly conspiracy.

 

[ronki23]

I don't know. They did have to buy tickets. And there was no video security even in those days. Asking questions is not evidence for a silly conspiracy.

What I mean is there were 19 hijackers divided by 4 planes: you're telling me there were only 5 Arabs on each plane ? I'm sure there could have been some good Arabs / Muslims on those flights so how did they find out who the hijackers were ?

 

[exchemist]

I'm labelled as an Islamaphobe because my Muslim 'friends' think it was inside job or Israel did it. Seriously, they can't even make their mind up on WHICH conspiracy to believe!

When it comes to Muslims i'm not part of the VIP club aka Islam.

As a Dharmic I can hold my hands up when my religion does wrong. An example is Hindus killing Sikhs in 1984 and Muslims in 2002 even though it was Congress goons
Nathuram Godse was also a Hindu terrorist but people wrongly say he's part of RSS when he was actually part of Hindu Mahasaba

I have no interest in what religious prejudices you hold. This guff is quite beside the point. The conspiracy theories you are trying to reheat were all exploded as myths years ago.

 

[ronki23]

I have no interest in what religious prejudices you hold. This guff is quite beside the point. The conspiracy theories you are trying to reheat were all exploded as myths years ago.

Grenfell ?

 

[HonestJoe]

@Revoltingest do you know why Grenfell didn't collapse? I thought it was an internal fire just like the WTC ?

I've no idea if anyone has already corrected you in the two years since you started the thread but no, you are entirely wrong about the Grenfell fire.

The ignition was inside one of the flats but it spread to the cladding on the outside of the building (which turned out to be much more flammable than it should have been). The majority of the fire was on the outside of the building and therefore didn't impact the core structure. There also obviously wasn't the issue of flying debris from the collapse of other buildings.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I mean is there were 19 hijackers divided by 4 planes: you're telling me there were only 5 Arabs on each plane ? I'm sure there could have been some good Arabs / Muslims on those flights so how did they find out who the hijackers were ?

Why don't you do a bit of a search on non-conspiracy sites? You should be able to find out how they knew this. I do not think th\at they just assumed a Muslim was a terrorist, in fact I am sure that is not what they did. They were able to identify suspects not just based upon their religion and nationality but they were able to find out how they trained for this after the fact.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Grenfell didn't have planes rammed into it.

That and the physics created by rapidly collapsing upper floors made quite a ramrod in collapsing the entire WTC building.

 

[ronki23]

That and the physics created by rapidly collapsing upper floors made quite a ramrod in collapsing the entire WTC building.

Let's assume for the moment that she's right. (Although her
background is in metallurgy, not structural failure analysis).

For this to be controlled demolition by government operatives,
it would have to be a vast conspiracy with many people involved.
- Building managers would've allowed preparation for demolition
to proceed. This couldn't have been hidden from them, given how
invasive the lengthy preparations for controlled demolition are.
- Maintenance staff would've noticed preparations, & would've
alerted managers.
- Tenants would've noticed preparations, & some would've raised
questions.
- Building inspectors would have to be kept away, requiring that
department's management be in on the conspiracy.
- Government officials & employees in the program would of course
know what they were up to.
- Either the airline pilots or the hijackers would've been agents
of government.

This project would've involved a great many people to plan
& execute it. Yet none have stepped forward to blow the
whistle. No one felt grief at the horror they committed?
Nah....such a conspiracy would not remain secret.

A sample of preparation for controlled demolition....

Do stop purveying these idiotic conspiracy theories. This was 20 years ago now and it has all been done to death.

I don't know. They did have to buy tickets. And there was no video security even in those days. Asking questions is not evidence for a silly conspiracy.

I've no idea if anyone has already corrected you in the two years since you started the thread but no, you are entirely wrong about the Grenfell fire.

The ignition was inside one of the flats but it spread to the cladding on the outside of the building (which turned out to be much more flammable than it should have been). The majority of the fire was on the outside of the building and therefore didn't impact the core structure. There also obviously wasn't the issue of flying debris from the collapse of other buildings.

I'm not a conspiracies. However, my final question is why the Commission Report had so many inconsistencies and why Bush and Cheney didn't swear under oath.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not a conspiracies. However, my final question is why the Commission Report had so many inconsistencies and why Bush and Cheney didn't swear under oath.

What "inconsistencies"? And where did you get that last claim from? It seems rather silly. They were never tried, nor does it appear that they should have been. Why on earth would they have to "swear under oath"?

It sounds like you have been going to conspiracy sites where they make all sorts of foolish claims.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not a conspiracies. However, my final question is why the Commission Report had so many inconsistencies and why Bush and Cheney didn't swear under oath.

I can't speak to those things....never looked into them.
But the impossibility of keeping such a massive utterly
evil conspiracy secret among the politicians, soldiers,
managers, workers, tenants.....Government is simply
not that capable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can't speak to those things....never looked into them.
But the impossibility of keeping such a massive utterly
evil conspiracy secret among the politicians, soldiers,
managers, workers, tenants.....Government is simply
not that capable.

It is rather amazing how incompetent some people believe the government is except in the matter of conspiracies.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is rather amazing how incompetent some people believe the government is except in the matter of conspiracies.

Vietnam, Watergate, Iraq War 1, Iraq War 2, Afghanistan War,
1953 Iranian Coup, Arms For Hostages, Carter's Hostage
Rescue Operation, Obamacare, etc, etc.
The list of government enterprises so horribly FUBAR is lengthy
indeed. But this one....using nano-thermite paint & other
imagined hyper-technological McGuffins somehow went perfectly.

 

[exchemist]

Grenfell ?

Ridiculous to compare the two, in every way. Grenfell Tower was not crashed into by a jet airliner at several hundred mph, full of jet fuel. (And its structure was in any case concrete, not metal girders.)

A few minutes of research on this would make the lack of similarity obvious. But you, apparently, prefer not to bother to do that minimal research but indulge instead in conspiracy theories.

 

[exchemist]

I'm not a conspiracies. However, my final question is why the Commission Report had so many inconsistencies and why Bush and Cheney didn't swear under oath.

You are a conspiracy theory pedlar.