Teritos
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About which Jesus are you talking?
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Why Did You Reject Jesus?
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I rejected the dogmatic Jesus because the teachings attributed to Him were contrary to science and reason, and there is no evidence that His miracles either proved He was authorised by God or that He actually did any miracles as opposed to having miracle claims attributed to Him by liars.
In my opinion.
In my opinion.
Alienistic
Anti-conformity
I’m sure that the “Christ” and the “devil” within are often mistaken for the other quite often. Many saying to the “Christ” to go away devil and many thinking that the devil is Christ and their god.
I wonder if anybody is aware that the generally accepted Epistles of Paul were all written before any other book of the New Testament (including of course the Gospels and Acts). They are:
Now, I think that should be fascinating, and add to that the fact that the Gospels, Acts and all other books of the NT were written at an absolute minimum of 40 years (and often considerably more) AFTER Jesus was already dead, and almost exclusively by those who were NOT, in fact, witnesses to anything that Jesus did.
That is why I responded as I did. Everything, absolutely everything written in the Bible about Jesus is total hear-say, very often at third-hand, fourth-hand and more. Gossip, tales that -- like all tales told by humans from one person to the next, from one generation to the next -- grow in the telling.
- First Thessalonians (c. 50 AD)
- Galatians (c. 53)
- First Corinthians (c. 53–54)
- Philippians (c. 55)
- Philemon (c. 57–59)
- Second Corinthians (c. 55–56)
- Romans (c. 57)
- Mary, or any other family member
- Nazareth
- Bethlehem
- Parables
- Sermons
- Exorcisms
- Healings
- or any other miracle at all
Now, I think that should be fascinating, and add to that the fact that the Gospels, Acts and all other books of the NT were written at an absolute minimum of 40 years (and often considerably more) AFTER Jesus was already dead, and almost exclusively by those who were NOT, in fact, witnesses to anything that Jesus did.
That is why I responded as I did. Everything, absolutely everything written in the Bible about Jesus is total hear-say, very often at third-hand, fourth-hand and more. Gossip, tales that -- like all tales told by humans from one person to the next, from one generation to the next -- grow in the telling.
Shadow Wolf
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The one in the Bible. The one Christians call their Messiah.
The idea did not come up.
I like NT and OT in terms of their relationship with Near Eastern and later Roman history and beliefs and culture. As a book providing spiritual insight, it did very little for me.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I suggest, making another thread for those who accepted Jesus and ask why they did so. This way, we have both sides views.
Perhaps two threads for Muhammad.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
I don't reject the possibility that there was some guy named Jesus who lived 2000 years ago. What I do reject are the claims that he was some sort of divine being who performed miracles and rose from the dead, since there is absolutely no verifiable evidence to support such fantastical claims.
Vinidra
Jai Mata Di!
I wasted a lot of time in my life crying out to Jesus and his cold, unfeeling father. Never once did I get an answer, even in my darkest times.
The first time I called out to Mother Saraswati, while not even sure she actually existed, I was answered immediately. That was good enough for me.
The first time I called out to Mother Saraswati, while not even sure she actually existed, I was answered immediately. That was good enough for me.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I used to worship him, but now I follow his teachings. I reject some things that people wrote about him, i.e., him being messiah and a warrior coming back to seek revenge.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
How did she answer?
I was a Christian for almost nine years. For me, it was not so much that I eventually rejected Jesus, rather, it was the religion about Jesus that I rejected. The religion that identifies with the god of Israel and has its sacraments, New Testament, Nicene Creed, etc. was a religion that barely did anything for me spiritually in a positive way. Moreover, as someone who read much of the Hebrew Bible, I felt myself drifting away from the god of Israel the more I read it. One who does not want the god of Israel cannot be a Christian, so I am not a Christian.
When it comes to Jesus of Nazareth, I currently hold a favorable opinion about him. My impression as an outsider is that although his life was in a Judean context, he appears to have been a sage and gurū (and perhaps an immortal?) who tried to introduce a new and almost unrecognizable form of Judaism. Many of his teachings resonate with me as a Hindu, and I noticed lately that his thing about the 'blind leading the blind' is something that also appears in a Vedic scripture known as the Kaṭha Upaniṣad. However, I cannot claim to be a follower of Jesus because (1) he is not my gurū, (2) his Judean context does not resonate with me, and (3) he chose his disciples, and he knew how to turn away would-be disciples. If I were to actually go to him and ask to be his disciple, he would tell me that he came only for the 'lost sheep of the House of Israel' whereas I am a foreigner. Plus, he might ask me to sell everything I own and follow him in his itinerant way of life, which I would not do.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I think it is about rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. Who accepts or rejects this claim.
I don’t follow Jesus’s Teachings, but I don’t reject that He was a truly holy soul. Absolutely not! I simply chose a different path. Interestingly, Master Shinran’s Pure Land teachings do have rather strong parallels with those of Jesus, but this isn’t the thread for that.
"Reject" can mean to abjure a previous belief. It may mean not acknowledge, or to defer belief. It may mean having no knowledge of or acquaintance with a thing.
In what sense do you mean "reject?"
Seems to me that those are two separate things. I see a lot of Christians who demonstrate through their words and deeds that they reject Jesus's message.
I've never "rejected" any historical Jesus, if one existed. I don't really know anything about him.
Jesus the character in the Bible, though... I reject him for a few reasons:
- I reject the existence of God. IMO, accepting Jesus comes as a package deal with accepting God.
- I find a lot of his message pretty abhorrent.
Christianity is based on folklore, and an anthology written by unknown authors over a thousand years; then cherry picked, edited, copied and recopied.
The anthology is full of errors, contradictions and folk tales, and contains no eyewitness or first-person accounts of Jesus or his works.
All of this is well known to biblical historians. There is good reason to be skeptical.
The anthology is full of errors, contradictions and folk tales, and contains no eyewitness or first-person accounts of Jesus or his works.
All of this is well known to biblical historians. There is good reason to be skeptical.
Well, not really. Jewish belief has no Jesus
