Why didn't god come now?

[Politesse]

I really hate that argument. If God appeared before me and talked to me I would believe. He's frigging God.

What I get from the rest of what your saying is that the enemy of Christianity is logic and reason. Blind faith means more to God than using your brain.

That's not at all what I'm saying. I don't think God minds if you don't believe, nor Jesus if you don't believe all the things that are said of him. He came to serve, not to rule.

 

[waitasec]

If we are talking about Jesus, and assume he really was God, there would be a couple of reasons. First, the time was ripe for God to seek out a new covenant. He wanted to spread his religion to a larger audience. He deemed the time to be right then.

Second, religion is highly based on faith. If God came to Earth now, there would be very little need for faith. If you notice one of the key ideas in the New Testament is that one needs faith. So it would make sense to come at a different time when it isn't as easy to spread information.

but there would have been very little need of faith then as well.
jesus did performed miracles before the masses, didn't he...
he was seen as a very famous person in that region...for his miracles

if guido and mario along with the masses, the bible speaks of frequently, witnessed miracles at a gathering jesus had, they would tell their friends and so on and so on, right? (remember the beck shampoo commercial?) by their collective eye witness account it goes viral, but yet the apostles ask their contemporaries to believe through faith

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Someone claiming to be god in today's world would be perceived as a nutjob.

And rightfully so.

 

[waitasec]

God was needed back then to explain, well almost everything.

:clap

the simplicity of your point of view is commendable

 

[Beta]

I don't know. What are the relevant scriptures in this case?

Perhaps the most relevant is that God has allowed man 6 days (6000 years since Adam) in which to do his own thing (selfrule).Then at the beginning of the 7th day God begins to rule.
A little arithmetic should tell us where we are in time.

 

[logician]

Who would believe such a person? Those who have tried* have been readily dismissed, if not ignored. They may convince a few, but that's about all. No, claiming to be the son of god was a much easier sell back then. As any carny barker knows, you play to your target audience, which in cases like this is the uneducated and unsophisticated.





* Lists HERE and HERE.

This thread really is about why a GOD would come thousands of years ago, not a trickster claiming to be god.

 

[logician]

I don't think it makes much difference, people believe now on faith just as much as they did back then. Some large religions began in recent years such Scientology and Latter Day Saints.

But the gods they believe in are still based in antiquity, at least for Latter Day Saints.

 

[logician]

Jesus is the son of humanity, and so not gone in the first place. Did he not say, "If you have aided the poor, the destitute, the homeless, the incarcerated, then you have aided me"? He then believes that he has not left. You do not agree, I am sure, but from a Christian perspective, another incarnation would be kind of unnecessary. And something of a mental trap, really. It's easy to say, "if only I were to have an answered prayer/talk to a burning bush/witness a miracle/meet Jesus, I would believe." But really, it's not true. Those who did meet Jesus were as often disappointed or offended as enlightened and awed. He was not, for instance, in the business of trying to prove that he was such and such to so and so. He went about his work, and he taught, but he did not waste time trying to impress people with light shows. If he were to "come again", he wouldn't care about rigorous scientific proofs of his nature, if such could be devised anyway, given that the whole point was that he was of our nature as much as of the divine. It seems true that one just hasn't "seen enough", but it usually comes down to a matter of asking the wrong questions, not getting the wrong answers.

So, given this, how can you possibly claim this supposed ordinary man was a god?

 

[logician]

" If God came to Earth now, there would be very little need for faith"

Isn't this the whole point. A real God could put the whole (I exist) matter to rest easily, instead of keeping the matter mired in doubt and reliance on ancient history.

 

[Politesse]

So, given this, how can you possibly claim this supposed ordinary man was a god?

Not a god, just god. And it's hardly an unusual claim for a pantheist to make, really. But what makes you think gods ought to be extraordinary? People are always trying to make their gods super-uber-awesome, and the results are often quite silly. True grandeur is not found in human symbols of power like crowns and signets and miracles and superpowers. Jesus' greatness was in his smallness and his death and his love. Don't discount the little things, because they are the only things, and they are beautiful. "Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; yet I say unto you that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these."

 

[McBell]

... But what makes you think gods ought to be extraordinary?

gee...
I don't know...
Perhaps the definition of the word 'god'?

 

[Politesse]

gee...
I don't know...
Perhaps the definition of the word 'god'?

Not mine.

 

[McBell]

Not mine.

Damn.
I am all out of cigars...

 

[Skwim]

This thread really is about why a GOD would come thousands of years ago, not a trickster claiming to be god.

My mistake then. When you said

"For those that believe that a god can appear as a man, wouldn't it have been wiser to have appeared today in this modern age of communications where all could instantly see and believe, and scientific tests could be run to prove that god was god?

Why come thousands of years ago, when the recording of history was at best unreliable, and most of the world would not know of your existence?

What was god thinking?"
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I didn't think you regarded the guy who came thousands of years ago as the genuine article. The way I see it, but for their failure to connect with enough people, those appearing today are no different than J.C..