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Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

joelr

Well-Known Member
Ah, you seem to have made the error of assuming that if I didn't list 10 points as you just did, I didn't know of them or agree with them. You didn't even ask.

Not an error. You recommended Campbell and his take on mythology. Campbell does not believe your religion is anything but more of that mythology. He does not believe in real demigods who grant eternal life, he does not believe each national God - Yahweh, EL, Zeus, were real Gods. He believes religion is not to be taken literal but as metaphorical poetry, he does not believe in a personal God. All stated in Power of Myth. At one point he even criticizes Christianity directly as missing the point.

You do not seem to realize this, and you do not agree with this.



I'd say you have summarized a partial but pertinent several points about Campbell's views -- some of them -- but you attempted to discount or call 'bizarre' the salient one I highlighted, which suggests to me you don't want to realize it or allow it to be so. Can't tolerate considering it perhaps (?).

What you highlited was not something Campbell believes to be true. He was explaining to the Priest who was horrified at stories of sacrifice that Communion is a form of the same barbaric practice. He was giving it to the Priest. The idea that any form of consumption of a young person, divine person, any person, is archaic nonsense and we can thank the Catholic Church for continuing such nonsense into modern times.
Campbell was boasting at how he really gave that priest something to think about.
He does not think anything about the Jesus story is real except for the metaphor of dying and being re-born to your compassionate self.
Not foolishly thinking belief will favor you in the eyes of the Gods and you get into the afterlife.
Campbell finds this to be myth that has lost it's true meaning.

Campbell would find Myans eating sacrificed bodies about as useful as Communion.




As I see it, this tendency prevents you from being able to discuss, because you aren't discussing in good faith or with an open mind, but in a more of an urge to maintain an ideology. I hope that guess is wrong! I'd rather you could easily learn new things, from anyone, which is a far better state to be in.

Campbell truly loved myths, and deeply enjoyed them, as anyone watching the interviews could see, if willing to see.


I am following where truth points. Many are not. I can see Campbell loved mythology and I can see he disliked Christianity because normally intelligent people were taking the myths literal and not getting the messages.
I have no ideology outside of what is true?
And I do not want to learn things from anyone unless there is good evidence to support their claims. Otherwise why not believe Scientology, UFO suicide cults, Mormonism, Flat Earth, Race superiority groups, and any of the thousands of other groups and cults?
The answer is we should not believe them without evidence.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No Way are you going here? Ehrman was a fundamentalist Christian and only deconverted because he realized what he believed wasn't supported without truth. Through honest study of evidence?

He isn't "anti-Chrisian", he saying what he believes is the truth without bias? Your suggestions here are very cult-like and alarming. My source is the ENTIRE HISTORICITY FIELD. When an actual historian demonstrated Christianity isn't real but merely the myths of some Bronze Age Jews you call him"anti-Christian?" So are all Greek mythology specialists anti-Greek? Was Mary Boyce an Anti-Zororastrian?

Ehrman is so dedicated to telling exactly what he finds that he had to quit being a fundamentalist to continue sharing his research and you have the nerve to call him "unreliable"?? YOu are outrageous and do not care about what is actually true? This is shocking.

I am so glad I am shocking you... hopefully it will shock you into thinking beyond your source and causing you to be challenged. Obviously if he is all you read, that is what you will believe. If all you read is from flat-earthers, you would probably be one too. ;)

For every historian Ehrman there are dozens of historian anti-Ehrmans.

Trying to make it simple for you...


Even atheist historians believe that there was a Jesus

Atheist historians concede evidence for Jesus' resurrection | My Christian Daily

Your dogmatic position to eliminate those who lived during the time of Jesus and those historians of the next generation is quite amazing.

The first attribution of the Fourth Gospel to John is from Theophilus of Antioch (A.D. 181), but before this the Fourth Gospel was quoted as authoritative by Tatian, Athenagoras, Polycarp and Papias. Polycarp is known to be a successor and associate to the original twelve apostles, having been martyred in A.D. 156 at the age of 86.

THIS is historical and has much more weight that doubting Ehrman.



OMG. You are invoking a conspiracy theory? With no evidence? Meanwhile Ehrman, Carrier andn other scholars are using original sources to explain their conclusions.
The actual truth is every PhD historian scholar has their own agenda. All of them I have read have 100% dedication to whatever the truth is. Elaine Pagels is STILL A CHRISTIAN although she gives strone reason for doubt in her book on the Gnostic gospels.

Your blanket statement is conspiracy crank.

I give you information but you continue to be dogmatic in your position.

Why do yiou keep saying "opinion" He sourced a paper?

'Illiteracy as reflected in the HALAKHOT concerning the Reading of the Scroll of Esther and the HALLEL', Proceedings of the American Academy for Jewish Research, 54 (1987), pp. 1-12 (Hebrew).

He gives 29 sources, are you not familiar with how papers work? You posted an article with ZERO sources and now are complaining about a sourced paper by a scholar?
Plus an expert on the period, Ehrman, saying literacy rates were low?
You seem to think random apologetic writings erase scholars actually reading the best source material we have?

I gave you a multitude of sources which you ignore... let me give you another one:

"Education a Priority

In the ancient Jewish community, education for children took a high priority. Barclay goes so far as to state, “It would not be wrong to say that for the Jew the child was the most important person in the community.” Examining the words of Josephus, Barclay may be correct. Josephus writes, “Our ground is good, and we work it to the utmost, but our chief ambition is for the education of our children…We take most pains of all with the instruction of children, and esteem the observation of the laws, and the piety corresponding with them, the most important affair of our whole life.”:


Ancient Jewish Education of Children and Use of Scripture | World History

First Luke copied (mistakes and all ) from Josephus..

OMG...

And you know that Luke wrote the book AFTER Josephus... how?

No... Luke wrote from eyewitness, Josephus (if there were any mistakes) were written by Josephus.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
From - Beaton, Richard C. (2005). "How Matthew Writes"
"Matthew is a creative reinterpretation of Mark,[47] stressing Jesus' teachings as much as his acts,[48] and making subtle changes in order to stress his divine nature: for example, Mark's "young man" who appears at Jesus' tomb becomes "a radiant angel" in Matthew.[49] The miracle stories in Mark do not demonstrate the divinity of Jesus, but rather confirm his status as an emissary of God (which was Mark's understanding of the Messiah)"

Matthew was probably writing a gospel he thought would be "the gospel". The authors did not have knowledge that there would be several gospels chosen to be the official.
So he had his agenda he wanted to have in the narrative. Probably his concern that the Jewish tradition not be lost in a gentile church was his reason for writing it.


Matthew (who includes some 600 of Mark's 661 verses) obviously used Mark and simply added his political agenda. The supernatural stuff was changing around fictional narratives.

It's unremarkable because how bronze age myths are created is unremarkable. But it shows he was not an eyewitness and wrote it using another Gospel. So it's not a "separate account" like many Christians like to say.

Ok.

For myself, I only wanted to find and test the instructions for living in the text, nothing more.

Just like I did for those from Emerson, Lao Tzu, R. May, C. Rogers, or like I did trying out various traditions in their local ceremonies like sweat lodges, religious festivals (Hindu), meditation (including when a traveling guru stopped in town), various local open events, ongoing groups, and quite a variety of other things I tried out, which I don't want to list in greater length.

To just try and see what happens. Call if curiosity if you like. But I was also seeking to sift the dirt to get anything of value.

So, see how beside the point it is to argue to me about some scholars' viewpoints about the texts?

To me the text was only another book (of very many!) -- a raw resource of more possible things to try out, to sift through the dirt to try to find anything of value.

For here and now. For personal gain.

Why bother to argue some scholars viewpoint with someone like me, who is very atheistic towards all viewpoints. All.

Does that make sense?

I don't believe in theses. They are vaguely interesting at most. I'm just too skeptical.

My attitude: test and find stuff of value to take away.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
...
... I can see Campbell loved mythology and I can see he disliked Christianity because normally intelligent people were taking the myths literal and not getting the messages.
....

If I recall, Campbell seemed to express his (correct and reasonable) disagreement with some priest(s), if I recall accurately.

Which of course isn't the same, not even close, to disliking the text/stories.

2 different things.

When Campbell was describing Abelard's interpretation, for instance, he clearly respected and liked it. That was very clear, and memorable. (when his face gets serious, that's not an indication of dislike, but is more nuanced and interesting)

So, you may consider about your conclusion on Campbell's attitude towards Christianity: Have you overgeneralized from something about his attitude towards some individual priest onto the entirety of all the tradition and it's content? (its a normal, common mistake to overgeneralize) That question is for you to consider, and you needn't bother to try to answer me on it.

I know what I saw when he discussed Abelard's viewpoint, so that's only reality/fact for me.

I see there is a transcript:
Ep. 5: Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth -- 'Love and the Goddess' | BillMoyers.com

It was interesting to review by reading that moment in the series -- Campbell's ideas are just as nuanced and interesting as I recalled. Like yourself, I watched multiple times. But perhaps I had less of an urge to see it as proof of a thesis? I was more interested in finding stuff to gain, for myself. That made me sensitive to Campbell's attitudes, able to get his attitudes in a nuanced way.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I did not proof read what spell-changer had done.

PILATE not Philadelphia.

Now try it;

If he'd come back and asked
PLILATE ifn he'd care to have another go at shutting him up.

I believe in that case Pilot would have had him crucified again.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I believe in that case Pilot would have had him crucified again.

Who knows? I bet by second time he came back and asked pilate ifn he'd care to try again,
the guy would be getting edgy.

Regardless, you can't possibly miss the idea
of what I am saying.

People would be impressed if he showed he can't be killed.

Prob was, not being a magic man, he died.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Even atheist historians believe that there was a Jesus

Atheist historians concede evidence for Jesus' resurrection | My Christian Daily

Your dogmatic position to eliminate those who lived during the time of Jesus and those historians of the next generation is quite amazing.

The first attribution of the Fourth Gospel to John is from Theophilus of Antioch (A.D. 181), but before this the Fourth Gospel was quoted as authoritative by Tatian, Athenagoras, Polycarp and Papias. Polycarp is known to be a successor and associate to the original twelve apostles, having been martyred in A.D. 156 at the age of 86.

THIS is historical and has much more weight that doubting Ehrman.
Vet your sources. Especially when they make extraordinary claims. They both misspelled Rudolf Bultmann's name (Not "Rudolh Bultman") and worse yet they claimed that he was an atheist. He was a well respected Lutheran scholar. There is no sign that he was ever an atheist.

Rudolf Bultmann - Wikipedia


This is why apologist sites are known as Liars for Jesus.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Who knows? I bet by second time he came back and asked pilate ifn he'd care to try again,
the guy would be getting edgy.

Regardless, you can't possibly miss the idea
of what I am saying.

People would be impressed if he showed he can't be killed.

Prob was, not being a magic man, he died.
And since the purpose of Roman crucifixion was to cow the common people the body was almost certainly left on the cross until it rotted away. That was the standard at the time. If he had been the victim of Jewish crucifixion he would have been taken down, but that was not the story and when it came to state crimes the Romans did not give a fig for the concerns of the Jews.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
And since the purpose of Roman crucifixion was to cow the common people the body was almost certainly left on the cross until it rotted away. That was the standard at the time. If he had been the victim of Jewish crucifixion he would have been taken down, but that was not the story and when it came to state crimes the Romans did not give a fig for the concerns of the Jews.

So they say.

In the event, that would make coming back the more impressive.

Nobody knows when or where he was born or died, but they know all these details like
"myrrh". Ridiculous.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So they say.

In the event, that would make coming back the more impressive.

Nobody knows when or where he was born or died, but they know all these details like
"myrrh". Ridiculous.
Actually according to the Bible we know that Mary had a ten year pregnancy. Oy vey!!:D
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Vet your sources. Especially when they make extraordinary claims. They both misspelled Rudolf Bultmann's name (Not "Rudolh Bultman") and worse yet they claimed that he was an atheist. He was a well respected Lutheran scholar. There is no sign that he was ever an atheist.

Rudolf Bultmann - Wikipedia


This is why apologist sites are known as Liars for Jesus.
Funny how we can have selective reading:

"Thus, respected historian, Neil Carter, who is a professed atheist, writes:“I can’t believe I’m feeling the need to do this, but today I’d like to write a brief defence of the historicity of Jesus. When people in the sceptic community argue that Jesus never existed, they are dismissing a large body of work for which they have insufficient appreciation, most often due to the fact that they themselves have never formally studied the subject.” (patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2014)"

Do you always miss something that is in black and white?

You do not spell Neil Carter ...R-u-d-o-l-h B-u-l-t-m-a-n

:) Always vet your reading :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Funny how we can have selective reading:

"Thus, respected historian, Neil Carter, who is a professed atheist, writes:“I can’t believe I’m feeling the need to do this, but today I’d like to write a brief defence of the historicity of Jesus. When people in the sceptic community argue that Jesus never existed, they are dismissing a large body of work for which they have insufficient appreciation, most often due to the fact that they themselves have never formally studied the subject.” (patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2014)"

Do you always miss something that is in black and white?

You do not spell Neil Carter ...R-u-d-o-l-h B-u-l-t-m-a-n

:) Always vet your reading :)
Yep, I screwed up a bit. But I was not wrong about them being liars for Jesus.

There are some clear lies in the article. They are very misleading to say the least. They try to claim that an atheist admitting that Christian scholars that believe the resurrection myth is somehow atheists admitting that there is evidence for the resurrection. That is such incredibly poor reasoning that it just leaves me shaking my head. If I admit that you believe the resurrection myth that is not me admitting that there is evidence for it.

EDIT: Oh I am so embarrassed:oops: @KenS convinced me that I was wrong, but I was mistaken. The article did lie in the sense that I claimed that it did:

"Thus, the famous atheistic historian, Rudolh Bultman, eventually conceded:"

Please note, incorrect spelling and claim that a Lutheran scholar was an atheist. I was wondering how I screwed up so badly. It turns out that I did not. Though I should have quoted that part of the article to Ken. Meanwhile I have yet to see him post anything from that article that justifies its title and he has not addressed any of the lies in that article.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Why didn't God leave behind a huge trove of secular evidence for Jesus having lived on earth, dying on the cross and all the supernatural events accompanying the crucifixion like dead bodies rising from the grave and walking around Jerusalem? If God really wanted us all to believe Jesus is His son who was born into this world for the sole purpose of dying for our sins--and that it was absolutely vital for us to believe Jesus died for our sins in order for God to keep from having to send us to hell for not believing in him, then wouldn't He have done everything in His power to leave behind secular evidence so overwhelming that only a fool or a madman would deny Jesus was divine? Wouldn't God have made sure that every historian in Jesus' time had heard of or witnessed Jesus' death and resurrection and ascension and then written about it? Wouldn't God have made sure that these accounts were perfectly preserved like Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars? Wouldn't God have made absolutely certain that the original gospel accounts from the apostles had been perfectly preserved for future generations so that we had first-hand testimony of what Jesus said and did?

Why instead did God allow whatever might have been written about Jesus by a known historian to be completely lost or destroyed? Why did 50-100 years have to transpire before someone finally decided to write the gospels, and these weren't even from eyewitnesses--they were Greek Christian scholars writing in perfect Koine Greek? And if they had no eyewitnesses or written testimonies to get their information from then how did they know the incredible minute details that appear in their accounts? How, for example did Luke know that an angel appeared to Jesus to comfort him in the Garden of Gethsemane when there were no witnesses to this miraculous event? Further, no manuscripts of any of the New Testament writings surface until the middle/late part of the 2nd Century. Why is that if God was divinely guiding the transmission of information about Jesus?

I can' seem to find answers for these questions that constantly pop into my mind. I lost my Christian faith because of the complete lack of evidence for Jesus outside the Bible.

There are historians who talk about Jesus. A lot of details in the history books are changed over time because they are not written by eyewitnesses. Little details change over time as the story gets passed down from person to person. Many Roman records could have gotten lost over time. Christianity didn't become more widespread until after the missionary journeys of Paul.

Why is evidence of Jesus found only in the Bible? | carm.org

Why is evidence of Jesus found only in the Bible?
by Matt Slick | Oct 25, 2014 | Jesus, Questions

There is evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible. But critics often disregard the evidence because it was not written by an eyewitness. Instead, we have comments from people after the death of Christ who wrote about him. But again, critics usually don’t accept such post-Christ accounts because they say it is only hearsay. Nevertheless, here are some of the extra-biblical accounts.

  1. Flavius Josephus (A.D. 37?-101?) mentions Jesus–Antiquities, Book 18, ch. 3, par. 3.
    1. “Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receiving the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”
      1. There is debate among scholars as to the authenticity of this quote since it is so favorable to Jesus. For more information on this, please see Regarding the quotes from the historian Josephus about Jesus.
  2. Flavius Josephus (A.D. 37?-101?) mentions James, the brother of Jesus – Antiquities, Book 20, ch. 9.
    1. “Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done.”
  3. Tacitus (A.D. c.55-A.D. c.117, Roman historian) mentions “Christus” who is Jesus–Annals 15.44
    1. “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
      1. Ref. from http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.mb.txt
Of course, the Bible fits the evidence of Jesus since it is written by eyewitnesses to his life and ministry. Why do we not find more evidence for Jesus outside of the Bible written at or about the time of his ministry? The answer is rather simple.

First, geographically speaking Israel was a sliver of land on the outskirts of the Roman Empire. It was under Roman rule and there were Roman rulers put in place to keep Israel and its inhabitants under control. Second, during the 3 1/2 years of Jesus’ ministry when he performed miracles and taught things contrary to Jewish traditions, the Jews were more concerned about figuring out who he was and what he was teaching, than keeping a log of what he was doing. The Jews would report to the Sanhedrin and the Sanhedrin would give account to the Romans who were ruling over them at the time. But, the Romans were not interested in the religious “squabbles” that happened in the Jewish nation. They only wanted peace. There would be no need for the Romans to write about Jesus because initially, he wasn’t of any concern to them. It was not until the time of the trial of Christ when he faced Pontius Pilate that we might have any official writings about him. But, if they existed we don’t have them now. But let’s say they did and we found the records. There is still a problem. The name ‘Jesus’ was common in the time and many people were crucified. So if there were a written record of someone named Jesus who was crucified around the time of Christ, how would we know it was really him?

Furthermore, the Jewish religious squabble that was occurring between relatively few people; namely, Jesus and the Pharisees. It would have been an “in-house” issue. Perhaps the Sanhedrin would have written about Jesus or maybe not. We don’t know. But, it wasn’t until after his crucifixion and resurrection that Christianity began to take off. By then, Christ was no longer on the scene. What were the Jews and the Romans to do at this point? Neither group wanted a “resurrected God” unifying the people in a politically volatile location. Writing about him would have given credence to the claims of his existence and deeds and which might validate his death and resurrection which could potentially increase belief in him and unrest in the geographically important area. The Jews, on the other hand, would not want Christ to be popularized so they could keep their political and social power. They would want him to be forgotten, not validated, so they would probably have kept mention of him to a minimum.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Did you get your question answered well?

Short answer:
Clear and conclusive evidence would contradict the common bible very strongly, because it says God wants us to trust him enough to believe before we see - to have "faith" --

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

And the 'good work' or 'work God wants' is to believe before seeing:
John 6:29 Jesus replied, "The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent."
(to believe in Christ, risen, the son of God, even though we have no proof now)

John 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Therefore, clear evidence would mean the common bible must be wrong, and God not like He is in the common bible.

Clear proof of God before faith (without faith) and before Christ's return would mean the common bible is wrong everywhere basically.

God wants us to trust Him. It's an 'act of faith.'


Why didn't God leave behind a huge trove of secular evidence for Jesus having lived on earth, dying on the cross and all the supernatural events accompanying the crucifixion like dead bodies rising from the grave and walking around Jerusalem? If God really wanted us all to believe Jesus is His son who was born into this world for the sole purpose of dying for our sins--and that it was absolutely vital for us to believe Jesus died for our sins in order for God to keep from having to send us to hell for not believing in him, then wouldn't He have done everything in His power to leave behind secular evidence so overwhelming that only a fool or a madman would deny Jesus was divine? Wouldn't God have made sure that every historian in Jesus' time had heard of or witnessed Jesus' death and resurrection and ascension and then written about it? Wouldn't God have made sure that these accounts were perfectly preserved like Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars? Wouldn't God have made absolutely certain that the original gospel accounts from the apostles had been perfectly preserved for future generations so that we had first-hand testimony of what Jesus said and did?

Why instead did God allow whatever might have been written about Jesus by a known historian to be completely lost or destroyed? Why did 50-100 years have to transpire before someone finally decided to write the gospels, and these weren't even from eyewitnesses--they were Greek Christian scholars writing in perfect Koine Greek? And if they had no eyewitnesses or written testimonies to get their information from then how did they know the incredible minute details that appear in their accounts? How, for example did Luke know that an angel appeared to Jesus to comfort him in the Garden of Gethsemane when there were no witnesses to this miraculous event? Further, no manuscripts of any of the New Testament writings surface until the middle/late part of the 2nd Century. Why is that if God was divinely guiding the transmission of information about Jesus?

I can' seem to find answers for these questions that constantly pop into my mind. I lost my Christian faith because of the complete lack of evidence for Jesus outside the Bible.
 

Earthtank

Active Member
Why didn't God leave behind a huge trove of secular evidence for Jesus having lived on earth, dying on the cross and all the supernatural events accompanying the crucifixion like dead bodies rising from the grave and walking around Jerusalem? If God really wanted us all to believe Jesus is His son who was born into this world for the sole purpose of dying for our sins--and that it was absolutely vital for us to believe Jesus died for our sins in order for God to keep from having to send us to hell for not believing in him, then wouldn't He have done everything in His power to leave behind secular evidence so overwhelming that only a fool or a madman would deny Jesus was divine? Wouldn't God have made sure that every historian in Jesus' time had heard of or witnessed Jesus' death and resurrection and ascension and then written about it? Wouldn't God have made sure that these accounts were perfectly preserved like Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars? Wouldn't God have made absolutely certain that the original gospel accounts from the apostles had been perfectly preserved for future generations so that we had first-hand testimony of what Jesus said and did?

Why instead did God allow whatever might have been written about Jesus by a known historian to be completely lost or destroyed? Why did 50-100 years have to transpire before someone finally decided to write the gospels, and these weren't even from eyewitnesses--they were Greek Christian scholars writing in perfect Koine Greek? And if they had no eyewitnesses or written testimonies to get their information from then how did they know the incredible minute details that appear in their accounts? How, for example did Luke know that an angel appeared to Jesus to comfort him in the Garden of Gethsemane when there were no witnesses to this miraculous event? Further, no manuscripts of any of the New Testament writings surface until the middle/late part of the 2nd Century. Why is that if God was divinely guiding the transmission of information about Jesus?

I can' seem to find answers for these questions that constantly pop into my mind. I lost my Christian faith because of the complete lack of evidence for Jesus outside the Bible.
Because Jesus is God, Duh everyone knows that :D
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
There are historians who talk about Jesus. A lot of details in the history books are changed over time because they are not written by eyewitnesses. Little details change over time as the story gets passed down from person to person. Many Roman records could have gotten lost over time. Christianity didn't become more widespread until after the missionary journeys of Paul.

Why is evidence of Jesus found only in the Bible? | carm.org
No, there is no mention of Jesus anywhere in the secular history record. There is a small mention of the name, "Jesus" in Josephus but scholars believe the phrase, "who was called the Christ" was an interpolation. And what does that mean except that there was some dude 70 years before Josephus who was named Jesus. There were hundreds of Jesuses back then.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
No, there is no mention of Jesus anywhere in the secular history record. There is a small mention of the name, "Jesus" in Josephus but scholars believe the phrase, "who was called the Christ" was an interpolation. And what does that mean except that there was some dude 70 years before Josephus who was named Jesus. There were hundreds of Jesuses back then.

The name of Jesus is Yeshua, which means salvation.
 
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