Why do “Black Lives Matter”?

[shunyadragon]

Couldn’t you say this about innumerable groups of people?

No, . . . but maybe Jews and Native Americans.

 

[shunyadragon]

I'm not sure I understand your question or point. But of course black lives matter. Of course all lives matter. It's obvious that those who feel it's important to say "black lives matter", say so because they believe those lives matter less to some. So it really means "black lives matter too." Maybe the latter phrase wouldn't cause as much concern over words.

Except for the history of slavery, penal servitude up into the 20th century, persecution, physical destruction of black communities. lynching, forced segregation into ghettos, substandard education, housing and medical care, law enforcement and judicial persecution of blacks for a beginning. Also exclusion from GI bill education and housing benefits. and farm loans up until the 1990's.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Couldn’t you say this about innumerable groups of people?

Yes, you could. And what would you find wrong about that?

To be more specific (in case you didn't get it), which of those "innumerable groups of people" would you exclude from being lives that matter?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Lives matter because they matter to those who are living them. If you suppose that is not true, then you must accept that yours doesn't matter either, and that because it doesn't matter, anyone should consider themselves free to deprive you of it, or make it wonderful -- at their will, not yours.

Want to go there?

 

[Windwalker]

ALL Lives matter.

Do you not understand why they use the slogan "Black Lives Matter"? It is not that "all lives" don't matter. It is because our system of government and its laws, act as if black lives do NOT matter. It's drawing attention to that. Of course, all lives matter, but because we act as if black lives do not matter, that they are telling us ignorant folk, they do.

They are asking for all of us, including you, to notice and do something about it. They are after all, just us with a different skin color which means nothing as a human being.

 

[Shaul]

Very few to than extand and for such a long and sustain period of time in the modern and contemporary era.

You must not get out much.

 

[Shaul]

Some groups: Native Americans, women, LGBT folk are subject to systemic discrimination. Blacks in the US are uniquely subject to it since slavery was abolished and continuing today.

BLM is a way of saying that blacks are part of the self-evident truth that all are created equal but the culture treats them as inferior in so many ways from slavery on.

It's saying "all lives matter and its time that blacks became an equal part of 'all'.

Nonsense. Blacks in America are not slaves and are as free as anyone else.

 

[epronovost]

You must not get out much.

What group would you considered suffered as much of slavery, denial of human rights, police brutality, segregation by law and by custom than black people in North America, Europe and Israel?

Native Americans can rightfully claim to have and continue to suffer from a similar treatment and maybe Jews too.

 

[shunyadragon]

Nonsense. Blacks in America are not slaves and are as free as anyone else.

Actually, only very recently. and even recently: penal servitude up into the 20th century, persecution, physical destruction of black communities. lynching, forced segregation into ghettos, substandard education, housing and medical care, law enforcement and judicial persecution of blacks for a beginning. Also exclusion from GI bill education and housing benefits. and farm loans up until the 1990's.

The Southern states blocked legislation to prevent lynching up until the 1990's.

 

[Shaul]

No, . . . but maybe Jews and Native Americans.

You are being selective in your recognition of the oppressed. There are many, many others, sad to say.

 

[Shaul]

Actually, only very recently. and even recently: penal servitude up into the 20th century, persecution, physical destruction of black communities. lynching, forced segregation into ghettos, substandard education, housing and medical care, law enforcement and judicial persecution of blacks for a beginning. Also exclusion from GI bill education and housing benefits. and farm loans up until the 1990's.

The Southern states blocked legislation to prevent lynching up until the 1990's.

Actually Blacks are not slaves in America and have all the rights as anyone.

 

[Father Heathen]

This again? Of course all lives matter, but black lives are often treated as If they don't, hense why the phrase specifies them. "All lives matter", while true, ignores racial disparity in relation to law and justice.
I'm the only white dude where I work, and people always assume I'm the boss, so I know "color blindness" is B.S.

 

[Father Heathen]

Nonsense. Blacks in America are not slaves and are as free as anyone else.

As are jewish people, so then would you suggest antisemitism isn't a problem? That jews are never treated differently, never have to deal with presumptions or prejudices? Yes, we're all free and equal, but in spite of this our culture, religion, ethnicity, etc. does often effect how we are seen and treated by others. This is a social reality.

 

[Revoltingest]

Let’s see where this goes.

Because they're people.


I know I'm stepping in it, but....what the hell.

 

[Shaul]

Yes, you could. And what would you find wrong about that?

To be more specific (in case you didn't get it), which of those "innumerable groups of people" would you exclude from being lives that matter?

None. That’s exactly why we should say “all lives matter” and not qualify it.

 

[Thief]

ALL Lives matter.

THAT discussion got a white woman shot in the head
in front of her three year old
and her fiance'

 

[Shaul]

As are jewish people, so then would you suggest antisemitism isn't a problem? That jews are never treated differently, never have to deal with presumptions or prejudices? Yes, we're all free and equal, but in spite of this our culture, religion, ethnicity, etc. does often effect how we are seen and treated by others. This is a social reality.

And Jews in America’s are also not slaves and have the same rights as everyone else too, just like Blacks in America.

Prejudice by individuals, whether in the form of anti-Semiticism or anti Black bigotry, doesn’t change the fact that according to the Law in America’s all lives matter.

 

[Revoltingest]

And Jews in America’s are also not slaves and have the same rights as everyone else too, just like Blacks in America.

Prejudice by individuals, whether in the form of anti-Semiticism or anti Black bigotry, doesn’t change the fact that according to the Law in America’s all lives matter.

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[Father Heathen]

And Jews in America’s are also not slaves and have the same rights as everyone else too, just like Blacks in America.

Prejudice by individuals, whether in the form of anti-Semiticism or anti Black bigotry, doesn’t change the fact that according to the Law in America’s all lives matter.

According to the law, but not to many of those who enforce it.

 

[epronovost]

Prejudice by individuals, whether in the form of anti-Semiticism or anti Black bigotry, doesn’t change the fact that according to the Law in America’s all lives matter.

Laws on paper are put a tiny fraction of societie's rule. You must also look at their historic, their enforcement, the method used to enforce them, their structure and then you have to deal with internal rules, protocoles and functionning of institutions, etc. Saying the law says all are equal doesn't mean all are in effect equal. Are you playing dumb right now?