Bob the Unbeliever
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Yes. .
yet, time and time and time again, you fail to show that you actually do....!
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Yes. .
Awesome. Are you currently in college? I'm genuinely curious.That I can see, but to uses the word theory rather than hypothesis is giving in to their ignorance and using their language.
FWIW, you may want to talk to an unbiased scientist about your "absence of evidence" ideas.
Dude, now you're just trolling. What do you think others will regard that as as signal of being?yet, time and time and time again, you fail to show that you actually do....!
Thanks. Perhaps. We're all somewhat biased to a degree, I just strive to keep my bias down as little as possible. That said, I may not always be able to see my posts in the same light as others. OTOH, obviously my posts irritate the angry Atheist believers just like many of my posts irritate the Bible-thumping theist believers. Hopefully the majority of readers will view my body of posts and not just a single post or small group of posts.
FWIW, you may want to talk to an unbiased scientist about your "absence of evidence" ideas.
Awesome. Are you currently in college? I'm genuinely curious.
Back to Multiverses, I offer this:
https://phys.org/news/2018-10-stephen-hawking-master-multiverse.html
Quantum theory predicts a multiverse
At our universe's origin, the macroscopic world dominated by gravity and described by Einstein's warping of space-time merges with the microscopic world of particles, ruled by quantum theory.
To describe what happens at the Big Bang, these two very different perspectives on the world must be combined into a single unified framework.
But quantum theory predicts probabilities for different outcomes. In the quantum theory of particles these could be probabilities to find a particle in one place or another. Applied to cosmology, however, the outcome is an entire universe!
So, any quantum theory of the Big Bang will thus predict a variety of different universes, each with its own evolution. Together these form a multiverse, a superposition of many worlds, existing in parallel.
The hologram at the beginning of time
Drawing on new developments in string theory, Stephen and I developed such a quantum model of the Big Bang.
String theory predicts that our universe is fundamentally a hologram that reveals itself only in the most extreme conditions, such as those at the Big Bang.
This is a bit abstract, but a hologram is a kind of change of dimension in which all information in a volume of space is projected and encoded on a surface. We used the notion of holography, developed in string theory, to project out the dimension of time in the earliest stages of evolution of our universe, and to describe these in an entirely timeless fashion.
In doing so our theory avoids the breakdown of Einstein's theory of relativity at the Big Bang, because we lose any notion of time on our way towards it.
In control of the multiverse
Shortly before his passing I sensed Stephen strongly felt holography gave us the grip on the multiverse he had always searched for.
We are certainly not down to a unique universe, but our description of the Big Bang as a hologram implies a significant reduction of the multiverse, down to an ensemble of universes which evolve in a way similar to ours.
With characteristic and unmitigated enthusiasm, Stephen declared we were at last in control of the multiverse – and he liked being in control.
Perhaps we are. But much more research is needed to decode the hologram at the beginning of time to fully apprehend the new view of the universe that it conceals.
Dude, now you're just trolling. What do you think others will regard that as as signal of being?
So are you going to fess up and admit that discussing things outside the Natural Universe are, indeed, both logical and sensible?I know exactly what it means: The construction of a FALSE STATEMENT from someone's actual statements.
Or deliberate (or accidental) miss-interpretation of someone's statements.
you are guilty of BOTH.
Do you believe in unicorns? Do you disbelieve in unicorns?Disbelief is a belief. It is certainly not neutral. The second the Atheist adopts the position of disbelief, there are evidentiary assumptions being made, a stance adopted and an evidentiary burden being assumed.
As long as this burden is not satisfied just how can anyone deem their position to be rational?
Disagreed, but you, sir, are certainly proving yourself to be a typical forum Atheist who is exactly the polar opposite of a Bible-thumping theist.WHAT? Sheesh, man... you make the most IRRATIONAL LEAPS OF PROJECTION I HAVE SEEN, for someone that isn't a theist....
You might begin with NOT projecting your own BIASES into what others are saying.
What? Your BIAS prevents you from doing that?
yeah....
Me? Trolling? That would be your continued use of Straw Man against what I actually wrote-- which you repeatedly REWRITE into some sort of weird Belief Thing.
Seriously? Have you tried actually reading what people write, instead of projecting what you WANT them to have written?
No?
Well....
I am sure it is not how you meant it. But it is now
it translates to the audience.
As for this absence of evidence" thing there is no
absolute rule for it.
Nobody has been able to find a living mammoth.
The lack of evidence for their survival into the present
certainly is very strong evidence that they are now
absent from the biosphere of planet earth.
Proof? Beyond any reasonable doubt, yes.
Now, if by any chance you actually have some
evidence that they live on, by all means
present it.
Likewise, if you have evidence for "god", great.
Present that too.
Meanwhile, that absence of any evidence for living
mammoths, or your "god" are in fact evidence for
their absence. Add Batboy's secret lab on the moon
as another "evidence of absence" thing.
Not proof, mind you, but pretty darn good evidence.
Awesome. So, unlike @Bob the Unbeliever, do you believe it's both logical and sensible to discuss the existence of something outside the Natural Universe? Yes or no, please. This is the crux of the conversation.I am well past college age. Professor Brian Greene covered the multiverse in The Elegant Universe. As I understand it, there are actually several hypotheses on what the multiverse looks like. Professor Brian Cox believes it is flat. Greene has suggested that there may be infinite numbers of universes, but this is only ONE POSSIBLE outcome of the math that lead to the multiverse hypothesis in the first place.
Shall I translate that for you?
TANSTAAFL
Awesome. So, unlike @Bob the Unbeliever, do you believe it's both logical and sensible to discuss the existence of something outside the Natural Universe? Yes or no, please. This is the crux of the conversation.
Disagreed, but you, sir, are certainly proving yourself to be a typical forum Atheist who is exactly the polar opposite of a Bible-thumping theist.
Evidence:
1) Typing in all caps to push one's point of view.
2) Trolling, derailing and name-calling when others disagree.
3) Pushing one's beliefs in a highly emotional manner.
Examples:
Awesome. So, unlike @Bob the Unbeliever, do you believe it's both logical and sensible to discuss the existence of something outside the Natural Universe? Yes or no, please. This is the crux of the conversation.
So are you going to fess up and admit that discussing things outside the Natural Universe are, indeed, both logical and sensible?
I find arguing about gods rather pointless. With that said...
- does science study the natural or super natural(if it exists)?
- is science qualified to study the super natural(if it exists)?
- would it know what evidence to look for for super natural(if it exists)?
- we wouldn't know what to look for if something was super natural, above/beyond natural?
- evidence for super natural(if it exists) could be right in front of us without us knowing
- super natural(if it exists) is above our realm of understanding so we wouldn't know it if we crossed it.
Multiverse is a hypothesis about the Natural Universe and as time goes on we may have the tools to falsify it. The existence of atoms was proposed over 2000 years ago, but only recently have we had the tools to 'see' one.