Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

[leov]

Nope. You keep forgetting: I was a Genuine Christian for 40+ years. That's 40 years of me, participating.

So why is your god deliberately being obtuse?

Maliciousness? Or incompetence.

 

[leov]

Both? You sure that you WERE a Christian?

 

[shunyadragon]

Both? You sure that you WERE a Christian?

Are you sure anyone was or is a Christian?

 

[Audie]

Ah, but that's based on good reason and evidence that science has lead us to the answers many times before. Which is not the same as religious faith, as most people understand it.

Surely not the old "lets play equivocation
with the word faith game".

 

[leov]

Are you sure anyone was or is a Christian?

Some people too eager to blame God....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Both? You sure that you WERE a Christian?

And there it is... the hateful comment I was expecting.

Ain't you the nice one... all Judgy and stuff.

Oh, and No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy--

I submit: How on earth do you know YOU are a christian now? By your own criteria? You are not... not really...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Some people too eager to blame God....

And some? Simply dismiss all the evil that god must be responsible for-- if, as they also claim, god is All Powerful and All Knowing.

You keep ignoring that fact.

 

[shunyadragon]

Some people too eager to blame God....

. . . and too many people eager to claim God, but many create God in their own image..

 

[leov]

. . . and too many people eager to claim God, but many create God in their own image..

Agree , I.g. demiurge

 

[shunyadragon]

Agree , I.g. demiurge

I realize tha many Christians believe that if some one leaves Christianity they were not truly Christian, but I lean heavily toward people's claim of belief as sincere in most cases.

 

[leov]

I realize tha many Christians believe that if some one leaves Christianity they were not truly Christian, but I lean heavily toward people's claim of belief as sincere in most cases.

I know the path, excepting altar call does not make one a Christian.

 

[shunyadragon]

I know the path, excepting altar call does not make one a Christian.

I avoid judging or questioning from the fallible human perspective whether anyone's claim is sincere or not.

 

[leov]

I avoid judging or questioning from the fallible human perspective whether anyone's claim is sincere or not.

I avoid such thing also. Some people have no brakes and I'm in need to be offered them something...

 

[Road Warrior]

You could comment on the fact that I provide you with a couple of examples of how IC is fallacious nonsense.
After all, you claimed that it was just my opinion that IC was fallacious.

I just showed you that no, it's not just my opinion. It's fundamentally flawed on various levels.

IC nonsense can be summed it by reducing it to its most basic (flawed) idea:
"I don't understand how this structure can evolve step by step. Therefor it didn't. Therefor god."

It might as well be given as an example in book called "logical fallacies for dummies", in the chapter "argument from ignorance or incredulity".

I agree IC is nonsense. I've said so before. Weren't you paying attention? Are you just angry and looking for a fight?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

An interesting history you've invented there.

Some scholars put the end of the Italian Renaissance in in the early 1500s. Galileo was born in 1564.

I would still call Galileo a "renaissance man," by the very nature of his thinking. Quite clearly, his thinking was not ordered along the lines of the Inquisition and the likes of Savonarola. These are the examplars of the kind of thinking that mark the end of the Renaissance, and let's be honest, these things aren't marked by nice, tidy edges. Sure, the Inquisition went to a lot of effort to shut minds down, but minds kept working anyway.

Also, consider what need the Church had to shut down ideas in pure or practical mathematics that did NOT contradict what the Bible said...which is what Galileo was accused of. The fact is, however, he was guilty of exactly what he was accused of...while being correct at the same time, which means that the interpretation of the Church about what the Bible said was incorrect. I don't care that you don't like it, but it is what it is.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Good plan. Another thought; consider why people are here. To argue and vent? Entertainment? Nothing else to do? It varies, but there are certainly limitations. In my case, I travel for a living and have an unconventional job. Forums allow me many of the same opportunities that a person with a 9-5 job visiting with neighbors has in their life.

Have you ever heard of intellectual curiosity? I can't afford university, and at my age would be out of place. This is free.

 

[We Never Know]

/facepalm

Troy is just a human city and the story is just about nations waging war over a woman, a queen, "stolen" from one nation by the other.

I'm talking about claims concerning the supernatural. About claims that reach "outside" of our observable universe. Unless you are comparing a city called Troy with things happening "outside" of our universe, I really wonder how you think any of this is relevant to the points under discussion, or how it is analogous in any way whatsoever..................







Let's not forget what the points under discussion are.
You are all over the place, except on point.

"I'm talking about claims concerning the supernatural. About claims that reach "outside" of our observable universe."

Doesn't multi-universe reach outside our observable universe?
Didn't you say in post 701 that multi-universe is worthy to explore?

If they are outside of our observable universe, how are they worthy to explore or are you just picking and choosing to your likening?

 

[We Never Know]

What do you want me to say? The links spoke for themselves. You posted them without comment so there is nothing for me to comment upon.

Dude you're borderline to letting them drag you into their god, creation, supernatural arguement which they thrive on. Look around.

 

[Road Warrior]

Ah, but that's based on good reason and evidence that science has lead us to the answers many times before. Which is not the same as religious faith, as most people understand it.

Agreed. Worse, some people put religious dogma over logic. Example, the Young Earth Creationists who take Genesis literally versus the years of science proving the Earth is far older than the YEC claim of 6000 years.

 

[Road Warrior]

Dude you're borderline to letting them drag you into their god, creation, supernatural arguement which they thrive on. Look around.

I enjoy conversing with the Bible thumpers and their opposites, the angry militant atheists.