St Giordano Bruno
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Did Jesus eat pork?
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Why do creationists eat pork?
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Walkntune
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Do you still stone your children for disobedience since not one jot or title of the law has been done away with?And we manifest that love by being obedient to God's laws. At least the ones that are still binding, like the Ten Commandments, clean and unclean meats, tithing, loving your neighbor as yourself, and others. James says it best, (pun fully intended) "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:26) Also In verse 24, "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
Midnight Pete
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No, Jesus was Jewish. Pork is forbidden for Jews.
Midnight Pete
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I was never stoned for disobience as a child.
Walkntune
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Well my brother through a rock at a bus so my dad put his army jacket on him and filled the pockets up with rocks and made him carry a brick in each hand for quite a while I remember. Does that count?
james2ko
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Read the context of the chapter. Jesus is referring to not one jot or tittle of God's Holy Moral law--The Ten Commandments (Mat 5:27). The administration of death, of which you speak, was instituted to show Israel the result of wrong conduct. It was part of the law code which was added because of transgressions (Gal 3:19). Yes, this, the administration of death, as well as the sacrificial laws, were added to Gods immutable, spiritual laws-of which the ten commandments are the basis. But the administration of death was only to last till the seed (Christ) should come.
james2ko
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Let me ask you this, was Noah a Jew?
Walkntune
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Galatians 5:4 (King James Version)
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
There is quite a difference between the 'works of the law' that Jesus dealt with on the cross and the spiritual laws (commandments) that are eternal, 'holy, just and good' Rom.7
Midnight Pete
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No, not unless your brother had these rocks thrown at him by your father until he died.
james2ko
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Read the chapter carefully and you'll discover that Paul was denouncing those who claimed physical circumcision was required for you to be right with God (Gal 5:2). Circumcision was an outward physical sign of the covenant between God and Abraham, including his physical descendants (Gen 17:11). In Leviticus 12:1-3, God simply reminds them of this covenant. But it was never a part of the civil law or Levitical rituals established through Moses. This is why Paul addressed the issue specifically.
In Gal 5:3-4 the NLT reads, "I'll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses. For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace."
In essence, what Paul was trying to convey in verse 3-4 was, "If you are going to require circumcision to be right with God then your going to also have to obey all the Mosaic laws which include the sacrificial rituals and ceremonial washings-- [clean and unclean meats, the ten commandments as well as other laws were never part of the Mosaic law because they were instituted at creation]--Continue the paraphrase in verse 4, And if you attempt to make yourselves right with God by obeying this Mosaic law, you would have fallen from grace and cut off from Christ"
see post # 37 here for more info http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...should-christian-faith-observe-sabbath-4.html]
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Because pterodactyl is too chewy?
Caution there....do not be so quick & cavalier to brand those who embrace cultural & philosophical advancements as low hypocrites.
The Old Testament was of a primitive pre-bacon culture, which was doomed to failure unless they could partake of cured pork products.
Thus, God sent His only son to bring them out of darkness, & into the light....fueled of course, by bacon fat. Even today, we find
Jews who are re-examining their prohibition against America's favorite fat. Noted pontiff of pork, Ari Weinzweig, explores this in
the great philosophical tome, Zingerman's Guide To Better Bacon (now available in a special pigskin edition).
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balasta boy
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so if thou shalt not kill is in the OT so it means its free to kill people? and if pork is only in OT we can it eat pork now?
that's wrong theology....
if God states that pork is IS abominable it is. and pork is not a food Leviticus 11:7, 8 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you. its for our own sake not him
according to 1corinthians 3:16, 17 God will destroy us if we destroy his temple
now give me text that found in the bible that telling us that the for is safe to eat or the bible is allowing us to eat pork?
that's wrong theology....
if God states that pork is IS abominable it is. and pork is not a food Leviticus 11:7, 8 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you. its for our own sake not him
according to 1corinthians 3:16, 17 God will destroy us if we destroy his temple
now give me text that found in the bible that telling us that the for is safe to eat or the bible is allowing us to eat pork?
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
1 Timothy 4:1-6 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; {2} Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; {3} Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. {4} For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: {5} For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. {6} If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."
Romans 14:3 "Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him."
1 Corinthians 8:8 "But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse."
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"
Hebrews 13:9 "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein."
Romans 14:17-18 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. {18} For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."
Romans 14:20 "For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence."
Paul pretty much gave every Christian permission to eat any food (including food left at the alters of other "gods" and other foods forbidden to Jews) as long as thanks is given to God. This made the new religion a bit more attractive to Gentiles.
balasta boy
Member
so you mean eating pork is good?
balasta boy
Member
hahaha as if you understand what those text is telling about my friend? do you know what the context of those text is? friend pork is not a food.
i know that all things that God had created is good but not all food right? they are created for some good reason but not all food and lets ask the bible if the apostle eat pork
acts 10:14 Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
even peter did not eat unclean thing like pork and Paul as well telling us that our body is a temple 1 cor. 3:16, 17
i know that all things that God had created is good but not all food right? they are created for some good reason but not all food and lets ask the bible if the apostle eat pork
acts 10:14 Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
even peter did not eat unclean thing like pork and Paul as well telling us that our body is a temple 1 cor. 3:16, 17
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balasta boy
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:no::no:
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Romans 14:17-18 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace
Yes, like I said, Paul was making the new religion of Jesus more appealing to the Gentiles.
Read any of the books attributed to Paul and you will see this.
He constantly said adhering to the old Jewish laws of circumcision, food restrictions, and even sabbath laws were not important to ones salvation.