Why do Evolutionists not like to actually debate Evolution and rely on personal attacks?

[LuisDantas]

And when I said that you all said "Oh no!" OK?

I don't think we did. Aren't you imagining things? Do you have a post to cite?

Instead of asking a poster to be more clear like some kind people here do you jump on every little tiny error that fits your case against another. That is where evolution of the human mind is heading. We who believe in creation are hopeful it won't take over.

I will disregard this, since it has little to do with facts in the first place.

 

[LuisDantas]

So the aptitude for complex and sudden decision making came from previous generations. What did previous generations need split second timing and complex decision making for?

To avoid predators, for one thing.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

...evolution without a designer is impossible.

Um... What? The opposite of this is the case.

Evolution does not explain how one species becomes another. Yet, I'll give you that. OK?

Yes, it does. There are several mechanisms driving speciation- the standard ones are mutation, genetic drift, gene flow and natural selection.

And BTW, the only way for us to actually observe speciation is in populations with very short life styles- this is sort of a "Duh!" since macroevolution requires many, many, many, MANY generations to occur. Thus, bacteria and fruit flies. Of course, just being fruit flies rather than orangutans doesn't invalidate the results. Fruit flies are people too.

 

[Alceste]

Thanks lol A lot of people actually don't debate on this either real life or online. I think it might be because I don't have beef with the theory itself. I really do not like dishonesty and I absolutely hate it when religious people pretend their religion is compatible with evolutionary theory when it clearly isn't.

The amount of Christians that talk about such BS is unbelievable. If they're going to deny the Adam was created directly then they might as well deny every single other miracle that God done as well that's written in the Bible including Noah's ark, Jonah's whale, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the splitting of the sea of Moses, the serpent of Moses, the burning bush, the virgin birth of Christ. You could literally deny everything else that is unscientific on the spot as well, you might as well throw the Bible in the bin at that point. It's a complete joke.

Liberal Christians quite like the "love your neighbour" part and the sermon on the mount. Maybe they should just tear the gospels out for safekeeping and throw the rest away.

 

[Alceste]

I do not know the right words to express it but here's a go at it again. A gene mutation gets passed along. To whom does it get passed to? An offspring and no one else. True or false?

The genetic disposition to make sudden complex decisions is needed for jet flight. True or false?

Where did the genetic disposition come from please?

I think you don't understand what a genetic mutation is.

 

[savagewind]

Um... What? The opposite of this is the case.

Yes, it does. There are several mechanisms driving speciation- the standard ones are mutation, genetic drift, gene flow and natural selection.

And BTW, the only way for us to actually observe speciation is in populations with very short life styles- this is sort of a "Duh!" since macroevolution requires many, many, many, MANY generations to occur. Thus, bacteria and fruit flies. Of course, just being fruit flies rather than orangutans doesn't invalidate the results. Fruit flies are people too.

Yes and they'll learn to fly planes sooner or later. Fruit flies have not morphed yet into let's say um ants or worms.

 

[savagewind]

I think you don't understand what a genetic mutation is.

Of course not! See the OP.

 

[Alceste]

So the aptitude for complex and sudden decision making came from previous generations. What did previous generations need split second timing and complex decision making for?

Survival. We're weak, pink, useless, bald, slow, awkward, fragile creatures, in case you haven't noticed. Without our big brains we would never have figured out which end of a pointy stick goes where and we'd all have been eaten by tigers.

 

[ignition]

It seems to me that you are insisting in a literal interpretation of the origin on humans, then.

Your privilege. I will only point out that it is not the only possible interpretation.

I'm afraid it is the ONLY possible interpretation. The fact that Adam was the first human and was created directly is not just in the Qur'an but in the Torah and the Bible as well. The idea that God would reveal a flat-out lie in three separate books and three separate times is blasphemy and disbelief. The story is not open for revisionist interpretation, because that would imply that God couldn't explain Himself first time around. There are many many other reasons why it is literal, including linguistic reasons, but the fact that Adam was mentioned in all three books is really sufficient evidence.

Funnily enough, God actually uses the fact that He revealed the same commandment ( to mention God's name at the time of killing an animal for food) in all three books to prove that the origin from all of them is the same God:

Qur'an 22/34 And for every nation We have appointed religious ceremonies, that they may mention the Name of God over the beast of cattle that He has given them for food. So your God is One God, you must submit to Him Alone....

 

[savagewind]

.savagewind evolution without a designer is impossible.

enaidealukal Um... What? The opposite of this is the case.

What's the opposite? Evolution with a designer is impossible?
Like building a skyscraper with an architect is impossible?

 

[Alceste]

Of course not! See the OP.

Saw it. Do you know what genetic mutation is? If not, I'm not insulting you, am I? I'm just observing that you don't know what a genetic mutation is. Your question, implying that you think one single genetic mutation must have resulted in human beings being able to fly jet planes, demonstrates plainly that you have some serious misconceptions.

I'd be happy to explain it for you, if you're interested.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm afraid it is the ONLY possible interpretation.

I beg to differ... but then, I am not a theist and I suppose that weakens my argument.

 

[savagewind]

Survival. We're weak, pink, useless, bald, slow, awkward, fragile creatures, in case you haven't noticed. Without our big brains we would never have figured out which end of a pointy stick goes where and we'd all have been eaten by tigers.

Good answer! I do not have the aptitude for split second timing but I have come from the same weak, pink, useless, bald, slow, awkward, fragile creatures. Where is my timing?

 

[Falvlun]

I do not know the right words to express it but here's a go at it again. A gene mutation gets passed along. To whom does it get passed to? An offspring and no one else. True or false?

True. The gene can get passed on to an offspring, who can then pass it on to its offspring.

(Note: a gene may be passed along, but not expressed. Thus, a grandson may have a trait of a grandfather, that the father himself did not express.)

The genetic disposition to make sudden complex decisions is needed for jet flight. True or false?

I don't know. For the sake of argument, we can say that such an ability is needed to be a good jet pilot.

Where did the genetic disposition come from please?

The disposition to make sudden, complex decisions?

Who lives? The rabbit that takes its time deciding to run from the coyote or the rabbit that decides to run at the first whiff of danger?

I'm sure a myriad of small adjustments were made to create the ability of the human brain. One thing by itself didn't do it.

The ability to fly jet planes specifically was not evolutionarily selected for. But other talents, such as quick reflexes, were for other reasons-- such as getting away from coyotes-- that can now be put to other uses, such as flying jet planes.

 

[LuisDantas]

Good answer! I do not have the aptitude for split second timing but I have come from the same weak, pink, useless, bald, slow, awkward, fragile creatures. Where is my timing?

You might conceivably have lost it at some point, but I think you're rather failing to properly measure the capacities here.

 

[Ouroboros]

People use statistics to prove different species share a common ancestor.
I have proposed statistics can prove so many mutations could not possibly have happened in the time that scientists say has transpired since the last universal ancestor. It is why I will never believe evolution alone made us.

Since we can see the transformations in the fossil record, there's no doubt that it happened.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Yes and they'll learn to fly planes sooner or later. Fruit flies have not morphed yet into let's say um ants or worms.

 

[savagewind]

Saw it. Do you know what genetic mutation is? If not, I'm not insulting you, am I? I'm just observing that you don't know what a genetic mutation is. Your question, implying that you think one single genetic mutation must have resulted in human beings being able to fly jet planes, demonstrates plainly that you have some serious misconceptions.

I'd be happy to explain it for you, if you're interested.

Sorry if you heard just one mutation is needed. I didn't say that. It is a skill that is needed only for speed of sound flight but people know how. It's a mystery imo.

Also people know how to manipulate things that not long ago were invisible. That is also a mystery to me.

I do not believe evolution can explain things like those.

 

[Falvlun]

Good answer! I do not have the aptitude for split second timing but I have come from the same weak, pink, useless, bald, slow, awkward, fragile creatures. Where is my timing?

There's a bell curve. All of human kind lie inside this curve. Most will have an average sort of reaction speed. Some will be markedly slower than their buddies. And some will be markedly faster than their buddies. Why do you assume that everyone would-- or should-- have the same speed?

 

[savagewind]

There's a bell curve. All of human kind lie inside this curve. Most will have an average sort of reaction speed. Some will be markedly slower than their buddies. And some will be markedly faster than their buddies. Why do you assume that everyone would-- or should-- have the same speed?

I do not assume it, she does, it seems.