Why do gays want to get married?

[nnmartin]

Originally Posted by nnmartin
Why can't I marry my - sister, dog, mother,self, aunt, cat, stepbrother?

You'll have to choose one.

Well maybe I will just marry myself then.

Won't have to worry about a divorce at least!

 

[Viker]

Originally Posted by nnmartin
Why can't I marry my - sister, dog, mother,self, aunt, cat, stepbrother?



Well maybe I will just marry myself then.

Won't have to worry about a divorce at least!

You could. There are plenty of lawyers on either side of you.

 

[nnmartin]

And really, being gay is not a choice anyway. so really, there is are no choices offered by you there.

Being gay may not be a choice, I agree you are born that way.

However, who you marry is a choice therefore it is up to you whether to marry a man or woman.

Therefore a gay man can marry a woman or vice versa - no discrimination there.

What he cannot do though is marry another man as then the word 'marriage' would have to be redefined.

In many places gays can have civil unions that are exactly the same as marriage except they use a different word. Yet, there are still complaints about this because they cannot use the same vocabulary.

So It comes down to principle only and really is a moot point in the final analysis.

A man marrying a man is not the same as a man marrying a woman therefore it needs a different definition.

 

[Draka]

Being gay may not be a choice, I agree you are born that way.

However, who you marry is a choice therefore it is up to you if to marry a man or woman.

Therefore a gay man can marry a woman or vice versa - no discrimination there.

What he cannot do though is marry another man as then the word 'marriage' would have to be redefined.

In many places gays can have civil unions that are exactly the same as marriage except they use a different word. Yet, there are still complaints about this because they cannot use the term marriage.

So it comes down to principle only and really a pointless issue.

A man marrying a man is not the same as a man marrying a woman therefore it needs a different definition.

The issue here is that a straight man can marry the person he loves because he will love a woman. A gay man cannot marry the person he loves because he will love a man. How is that fair or right? You say that a gay man can marry a woman. Why would he want to do that? If the laws were reversed would you marry a man simply because that was what was available? Or would you prefer to be able to marry the woman you love? All homosexuals want is the ability to marry whom they love...just like heterosexuals are already allowed to do. Why is that so much to ask and why is it so hard to understand?

 

[nnmartin]

I'm not that worried about it at the moment. The Iowa Senate isn't letting anything of the sort to even hit their floor. And the longer it's legal here the harder it will be to change that fact. If it ever looks like the nuts are actually going to make headway, myself and others will most certainly be at the Capitol steps to make our voices heard.

Why are you so fussed about the issue anyway when you are not even gay yourself?

sounds like Troll to me!

 

[painted wolf]

You know, when I see such mounds of hateful tripe and awful comparisons to bestiality and the like all I want to do is offer hugs to our LGBT members here. No one should be talked about like they are talked about. No one should be denied the union of marriage just because some people have issues with who you love. No one should have to have such insane hate shoveled their way. It's reprehensible and shameful the way some people behave here and irl. It really does upset me a lot and I'm not even gay. So, my heart, my love, and my support goes out to you all. You don't deserve this ****.

You know... I have to say that it's really awesome to see people with such attitudes going the way of the miscegenation lot. American history is filled with the advance of human rights despite the best efforts of those who don't dig that whole "all are equal" bit in the constitution.
It's probably the best feature of this country... the striving to better live up to our values.

wa:do

 

[nnmartin]

Originally Posted by nnmartin
1. You can be heterosexual
2. You can be homosexual.

However you cannot be both.

So besides the whole, not-a-choice thing. Hi, I'm bisexual. Nice to meet you and destroy your paradigms.

Not at all.

If you are bisexual then you are not heterosexual.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Why are you so fussed about the issue anyway when you are not even gay yourself?

sounds like Troll to me!

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Draka]

Why are you so fussed about the issue anyway when you are not even gay yourself?

sounds like Troll to me!

Why are you so against gays being able to get married when whether or not they get married IT HAS NO EFFECT ON YOU? I am invested in the issue because I'm a caring human being who feels that people should be treated equally and be respected and allowed to love whom they love without discrimination. Until gay marriage is legal across this nation then people such as myself will continue to stand up in support of gay marriage and equality. Why are you so adamant about opposing gay couples the right to be married when it doesn't affect you? Other than to viciously deny a right out of hate and ignorance...why do you persist?

 

[Viker]

Why are you so fussed about the issue anyway when you are not even gay yourself?

sounds like Troll to me!

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Rev. MLK, Jr.

With equality and justice being under scrutiny. If she wasn't "fussed" she would be doing things wrong.

 

[nnmartin]

Draka:

There is no hate or ignorance on my side.

You and others are telling me I am filled with hate simply because I disagree with gay marriage yet I have stated several times that I am not opposed to gays living together as a loving couple.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So does the OP think that gays don't deserve equal protection under the law?

 

[Drolefille]

Yeah I"m Pansexual... there are also asexual, polysexual and so on.

Some people are so limited to false dichotomies.

wa:do

Aye i'm pansexual, I just revert to 'bi' when I don't want to explain it.

What would you consider polysexual? (Besides polyamorous?)
I rather like Jack Harkness's "omnisexual" but then he'd have chemistry with a houseplant if it could consent (From Doctor Who/Torchwood.)

 

[Draka]

Draka:

There is no hate or ignorance on my side.

You and others are telling me I am filled with hate simply because I disagree with gay marriage yet I have stated several times that I am not opposed to gays living together as a loving couple.

How is it not ignorant or hateful to want to deny a loving couple the right that you already have to get married simply because you don't believe they should have the same rights as you because they are "different".. I'm sorry, but that is essentially what it is. You have given no real, logical, substantial reasoning for denial of marriage rights. You spout all the crap about "fabric of society" and whatnot and produce absolutely nothing, NOTHING to back up any of your nonsensical claims. You have truly no other reasoning other than "they aren't right", "it's not natural" and so on. Those are, whether you care to realize it or not, homophobic statements. Born of fear and dislike of what you perceive as "too different". For you to push for the denial of the ability of a loving couple to get married like any other couple simply because of the plumbing parts of the individuals involved, shows hate. Their ability to marry affects no one but themselves. So WHY should it really make any difference to you if they get married?

I'll repeat, because of all things this is what I want answered from you:

Their ability to marry affects no one but themselves. So WHY should it really make any difference to you if they get married?

 

[Draka]

Aye i'm pansexual, I just revert to 'bi' when I don't want to explain it.

What would you consider polysexual? (Besides polyamorous?)
I rather like Jack Harkness's "omnisexual" but then he'd have chemistry with a houseplant if it could consent (From Doctor Who/Torchwood.)

I love Jack :drool:

 

[Drolefille]

I love Jack :drool:

I wish the actor was bi-er. Alas.

Also thank you, from this one pansexual poly girl, for being a good ally.

 

[Draka]

I wish the actor was bi-er. Alas.

Also thank you, from this one pansexual poly girl, for being a good ally.

You are quite welcome. Though the thanks should go to my mother. Who raised me to love and accept people and treat people fairly.

 

[Antiochian]

Careful who you fall in love with... SOMEONE may not approve! :tsk:

 

[Antiochian]

You are quite welcome. Though the thanks should go to my mother. Who raised me to love and accept people and treat people fairly.

More people should have mothers like that. I think bigotry is taught in the home more than anything. It's a vicious cycle, because then the children grow up to pass it on to the next generation.

 

[nnmartin]

I'll repeat, because of all things this is what I want answered from you:

Their ability to marry affects no one but themselves. So WHY should it really make any difference to you if they get married?

It dosn't make much difference to me personally but then neither do a lot of things.

For instance house burglaries in Texas affect me not in the slightest yet I think they should be against the law.

It's more about maintaining some kind of traditional order in society that has worked fairly well for the last several hundred years and not to change it just for the sake of it.

The onward march of the Liberal Fascists is what I am really against.