Why do gays want to get married?

[painted wolf]

I still want to know why one christian sect can tell another christian sect what they can or can't do. Let alone being able to tell other religions entirely what they can't do.

Why can't my church marry GBLT couples just because a few members of another church will get their panties in a twist?
Freedom of religion... if your church is against it, they don't have to do it... if my church is for it, they can do it.

wa:do

 

[Viker]

I still want to know why one christian sect can tell another christian sect what they can or can't do. Let alone being able to tell other religions entirely what they can't do.

Why can't my church marry GBLT couples just because a few members of another church will get their panties in a twist?
Freedom of religion... if your church is against it, they don't have to do it... if my church is for it, they can do it.

wa:do

If people want to blur the lines between operating agents, they'll have no problem overcoming your much better idea.

 

[nnmartin]

then why are infertile couples allowed to marry?

Because they are man and woman.

That is the crux of the matter: man can marry woman.

Man cannot marry man or woman marry woman - but they can do something similar and call it a Union if they like.

Can't see anything wrong with that.



Quote:
Originally Posted by nnmartin
Same sex couples cannot do this naturally.

more blatant ignorance.

No one has yet demonstrated how a same sex couple can naturally have children.

 

[nnmartin]

Homosexuals may have the right to a heterosexual marriage like everyone else but the problem is, they're not heterosexuals. This would be akin to telling black people in the sixties - that did not have the right to ride at the front of the bus - that they still had the right to ride the bus like everyone else. Or that they could ride at the front if they could make themselves white.

This trivialises the issue somewhat.

The two issues are not the same - one is racial the other not, there is a difference.

The differences between skin colour and gender are much less than that of gender.

There are many more issues at stake with same sex marriage such as the fundamental laws of nature.

Even though you can say that a gay person was born that way they still cannot procreate thus their 'marriage' is of a different category.

The compromise is for same sex unions to be allowed as it is in many places.

 

[nnmartin]

At this point I'm left with just continuing to shake my head in my palms, let out huge sighs, and resign myself to the notion that it isn't that he can't understand reality, it's that he doesn't want to.

= I cannot force nnmartin to agree with me therefore I must conclude that he is a bigoted homophobic redneck of low intelligence. He is certainly delusional as time and time again I have repeated the same thing and come up with absurd questions (such as would a hamster get married it it could?) that still don't shake him. Poor old lost soul, group hug needed.

 

[Draka]

Because they are man and woman.

That is the crux of the matter: man can marry woman.

Man cannot marry man or woman marry woman - but they can do something similar and call it a Union if they like.

Can't see anything wrong with that.

Why? Look, you are the one who used the arguments that man and women reproduce, that they produce offspring, it is "natural", yet when presented with the point that heterosexual couples may not have children, or maybe can't have children, then you revert to just "man can marry woman". What you don't address is; why that is and why should it only be that way?


I've brought this up before, but I would like to see you try to attempt a coherent answer: How does Cindy and Luann getting married actually affect heterosexual couples? How does their marriage undermine anyone else's? What actual, verified, negative impacts upon other people does their marriage create?

 

[Storm]

= I cannot force nnmartin to agree with me therefore I must conclude that he is a bigoted homophobic redneck of low intelligence. He is certainly delusional as time and time again I have repeated the same thing and come up with absurd questions (such as would a hamster get married it it could?) that still don't shake him. Poor old lost soul, group hug needed.

Let's everybody take a moment to note that he had no objection to the reasoning.

 

[nnmartin]

If things are as bad as all that and gay marriage had nothing to do with it, why not start by going to the root of the problems and deny marriage rights to adulterers, divorcees, unmarried pregnant women and fornicators

Because these issues are not relevant.

The debate is about same sex marriage.

An unmarried pregnant woman does not even come into the equation.

 

[Me Myself]

If my semen didn´t work (*knocks on wood*) I would still like to be married if I fond a woman that inspired me to spend the rest of my life with her in loving union. Probably adopt babies too so we can spread the love (but this is not the reason to get married BTW)

So I guess if I was gay (read, if in my next reincarnation I come as a woman ) I would still want to be married because of the loving union with the woman I love

 

[nnmartin]

Re: nnmartin post 330

Have a gay Union instead - it's virtually the same thing anyway.

Originally Posted by 9Westy9
I still find it funny how nmmartin supports gay union but not gay marriage and admits that they're essentially the same thing (post #330)
still waiting for a response from nmmartin..... __________________

A gay Union is virtually the same as a traditional marriage but there are restrictions.

The key differences are that it can not be called 'marriage' and there are certain restrictions of the usual benefits. These I can go through with you if you care to bring up specific ones - some should be restricted , others not.

 

[waitasec]

Same sex marriage sends out the wrong signal - it makes out that a marriage between two men or women is the same as a regular marriage when quite clearly it is not. It attacks the notions of traditional family which is important to society and young children.

what traditional family notions are your referring to?

 

[nnmartin]

Well mom and dad for a start.

Or in some cases single mom and single dad - perhaps seeing the other parent at weekends.

 

[Me Myself]

Funnily enough I have answered this question over and over and even provided a link. Because you do not agree with the answer you just simply restate the question and say I've not answered it correctly, sufficiently , exactly enough or have just ignored it.

This is not the case.

Same sex marriage sends out the wrong signal - it makes out that a marriage between two men or women is the same as a regular marriage when quite clearly it is not. It attacks the notions of traditional family which is important to society and young children.

Have a gay Union instead - it's virtually the same thing anyway.

Actually, gay unions are PEFERABLE. Not only preferable, but MUCH preferable.

You do understand there are 7 billion of us?

I say, those who are homosexuals, please, don´t try to hide it! we NEED more homosexual honesty. REALLY BAD !

 

[waitasec]

Well mom and dad for a start.

Or in some cases single mom and single dad - perhaps seeing the other parent at weekends.

but that isn't traditional...

it has evolved into our norm since the 60's

 

[nnmartin]

traditional in the sense of one mom and one dad.

Whether they stay together for a long period after marriage is not the issue.

 

[waitasec]

traditional in the sense of one mom and one dad.

Whether they stay together for a long period after marriage is not the issue.

but that was a tradition...
so what you are doing here is giving credence to a tradition that supports your bias while ignoring other traditions that have fallen by the way side...

why?

 

[tumbleweed41]

traditional in the sense of one mom and one dad.

Whether they stay together for a long period after marriage is not the issue.

So, you believe a single parent household is preferable to a two parent household?

 

[snipe]

Same sex marriage sends out the wrong signal - it makes out that a marriage between two men or women is the same as a regular marriage when quite clearly it is not.

What makes a same-sex marriage different from a different-sexed marriage?

It attacks the notions of traditional family which is important to society and young children.

How does same-sex marriage attack the "notions of traditional family?" What are those notions? And why are they important to "society and young children"?

Have a gay Union instead - it's virtually the same thing anyway.

A gay union is not the same thing. "Separate but equal" hasn't been legal for blacks, at least in America, for decades. Why should it be acceptable for homosexuals?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

This trivialises the issue somewhat.

The two issues are not the same - one is racial the other not, there is a difference.

Of course there's a difference, but only in this respect. However, they are both the same in another respect: denying rights to certain individuals.

There are many more issues at stake with same sex marriage such as the fundamental laws of nature.

The fundamental laws of nature also tell us the earth is billions of years old yet some Christians ignore them in favor of a loosely interpreted doctrine. So why should the laws of nature be a concern for Christians on the issue of gay marriage but not the age of the earth?

Even though you can say that a gay person was born that way they still cannot procreate thus their 'marriage' is of a different category.

Would this be the same "category" that includes infertile hetero couples?

The compromise is for same sex unions to be allowed as it is in many places.

Fine, as long as they have the same rights as hetero couples. If not then we're right back where we started.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Because these issues are not relevant.

Then why did they bring them up?

The debate is about same sex marriage.

An unmarried pregnant woman does not even come into the equation.

Yours and others' arguments up to this point have been about how gay marriage would harm the institution of marriage. The women who compiled the list listed unwed mothers as one of the things that harms marriage and that these issues need to be addressed. So lest you forget, you are the one who posted the link to the site. If you thought these things were irrelevant, why did you post the link?