Why do humans have genes for full body hair?

[SkepticThinker]

Correct. You should certainly thank the doctor for his skill. But God gave him the ability to have those skills.

The doctor gave himself that ability, through study, years of training and hard work.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am just responding to a previous claim, where it was said the opposite




You have to build a model and show that the ability to get rid of excess hit (hairlessness) would have been a significant benefit that would allow the organism to survive and reproduce more efficiently

If you don’t present your testable model, then you are just speculating ……….




Why? Do you seriously think that everything evolves one trait at a time? Can you support your claim?


No I don’t believe that things can only evolve 1 trait at the time……………only those who claim that organisms evolve through random mutations and natural selection would have to hold that belief………………


No I don’t believe that things can only evolve 1 trait at the time (I am not a darwinist)……………only those who claim that organisms evolve through random mutations and natural selection would have to hold the claim that organims evovle 1 trait at the time

Sorry, what's a "darwinist" ... ???

 

[Wildswanderer]

The doctor gave himself that ability, through study, years of training and hard work.

Nobody can give themselves the ability to learn. They can only build on what they are born with.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nobody can give themselves the ability to learn. They can only build on what they are born with.

Most everyone has the ability to learn. You should read up on how the brain works sometime.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Most everyone has the ability to learn. You should read up on how the brain works sometime.

I have seen fear keep quite a few people from learning. Otherwise bright people cannot understand simple concepts because they are afraid that a cherished belief may be wrong.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What do you mean " there were no laws"? How are you going to prove that?

And you still don't seem to understand what physical laws are. They are merely observations of how matter reacts in specific conditions. Why would na intelligent being be needed? Your claim, your burden of proof.

And yes, complex chemicals are regularly self forming.

Try to understand.
The universe obeys certain rules, precise mathematical rules about how things function.
If the universe were merely the accidental by-product of a accidental expansion of energy, then why should it obey any rules?
The law of biogenesis states that life always comes from life. Evolution theory tells us to believe that life (at least once) spontaneously formed from nonliving chemicals, with no evidence that this is possible.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Most everyone has the ability to learn. You should read up on how the brain works sometime.

Not everyone has the mental ability to learn to be a doctor or surgeon.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Try to understand.
The universe obeys certain rules, precise mathematical rules about how things function.
If the universe were merely the accidental by-product of a accidental expansion of energy, then why should it obey any rules?

It doesn't "obey" rules. It just exists and does what it does. And us humans do our best to measure, study and describe what it does, sometimes using math, which we also created. We call those descriptions laws but it doesn't mean they come from some lawmaker.

The law of biogenesis states that life always comes from life. Evolution theory tells us to believe that life (at least once) spontaneously formed from nonliving chemicals, with no evidence that this is possible.

Evolution "says" no such thing. It deals with life once it already exists.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not everyone has the mental ability to learn to be a doctor or surgeon.

Maybe, maybe not. Some have the desire and the inclination to do so. Others don't.
Everyone with a functioning brain has the ability to learn.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It doesn't "obey" rules. It just exists and does what it does.

Lol, which is to follow certain rules.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Maybe, maybe not. Some have the desire and the inclination to do so. Others don't.
Everyone with a functioning brain has the ability to learn.

Having a functioning brain is a blessing from God.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lol, which is to follow certain rules.

They are descriptive, not prescriptive, as I just pointed out. Human beings labeled them as "law" or "rule."

 

[SkepticThinker]

Having a functioning brain is a blessing from God.

When you can demonstrate that, let me know. Notice how this has nothing to do with my response. You're just doubling down.

 

[Wildswanderer]

They are descriptive, not prescriptive, as I just pointed out. Human beings labeled them as "law" or "rule."

Because that's what they are.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No answer as usual. So why should I listen to your nonsense? If you don't know how it started, the rest really doesn't matter.

You seem sort of agitated. Like someone all riled up.

Is it your opinion that negatively mischaracterizing others and insulting them is an example of Christian values? This sort of thing is becoming typical of your responses.

I regularly provide answers. I think what you wanted to say was "no answer I like as usual".

Why wouldn't you listen to someone that knows what they are talking about? For one, i don't post nonsense like living things creating themselves from nothing or everything is blind chance.

No one knows how abiogenesis took place. Yet. Maybe never. Having it worked out isn't required to refute your wild claim that everything came to exist on blind chance.

Have you ever considered reading some actual science or learning some basic statistics and probability?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Try to understand.
The universe obeys certain rules, precise mathematical rules about how things function.
If the universe were merely the accidental by-product of a accidental expansion of energy, then why should it obey any rules?
The law of biogenesis states that life always comes from life. Evolution theory tells us to believe that life (at least once) spontaneously formed from nonliving chemicals, with no evidence that this is possible.

No, it does not "obey" rules. You are anthropomorphizing natural events. Reality is not a Warner Brothers cartoon where you do not begin to fall until after you look down. A law just tells you how an object will fall. How a chemical will react. There is no "obeying". It is just what happens.

Natural laws are not evidence of a god.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because that's what they are.

And no, the definition that you want to use is incorrect.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

To you, sure. I know. That's the problem.

If I have a bag of pebbles, and mark one of the 1,000 that's there, my randomly picking that particular pebble out is based on chance.

Sorry, I was distracted by the sound of goal posts moving. If you have a bag of pebbles and you select from that bag, it is not blind chance. You went from a population of all matter, to all rocks, to all pebbles, down to a population of 1,000 pebbles that you selected. Drawing from that bag of pebbles means that you will not be pulling out a boulder, a meteor, a moonrock, etc. It isn't blind chance. It is a ridiculous thing to claim that everything arose out of pure blind chance. If it were blind chance, when you remove a pebble, it could just as easily be a pebble from Mars. It is a fact that the universe and living things did not arise out of pure blind chance.

It doesn't matter if you calculate the odds, it's still chance. It's not guided by anything.

I suspect from the tone of this sentence and the shift in the goal posts from blind chance, to chance, you are starting to realize that your previous claim of blind chance is pure nonsense. You were the guide in your bag o pebbles example. Yes, we know that humans do that. There is evidence. Maybe you were not aware. But humans are the only guides we have evidence for.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Because that's what they are.

What do you think that "law" means in science?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

There were no laws. And there can't be any laws without an intelligent being creating them.
Did the chemicals and rules create themselves?

There is no evidence for someone working in science to make that claim. And I know for a fact that you are not going to back up this claim you have made. You can't. You don't have the evidence to state that as a rational conclusion.