Why do humans have genes for full body hair?

[SkepticThinker]

100 percent could believe God doesn't exist and 100 percent would be wrong. But they don't. There's something in the human psych that understands life isn't accidental... and the tiny percent of hold outs just confirm that people can be brain washed effectively.

You're just doubling down on your logical fallacy.

The number of people that believe a thing has no bearing on whether it's true or not. Lots of people believe all kinds of things that aren't true. That doesn't make them true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

100 percent could believe God doesn't exist and 100 percent would be wrong. But they don't. There's something in the human psych that understands life isn't accidental... and the tiny percent of hold outs just confirm that people can be brain washed effectively.

Really? There is something in the "human psych" that understands your strawman. Then why do you not have any understanding of that at all? That seems to be contradictory to me.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Really? There is something in the "human psych" that understands your strawman. Then why do you not have any understanding of that at all? That seems to be contradictory to me.

You are the one with no understanding of reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are the one with no understanding of reality.

Oh please. We all know that is not true.

What I accept is based upon evidence. What you accept is due to abusing a holy book. Evidence trumps mere belief.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Oh please. We all know that is not true.

What I accept is based upon evidence. What you accept is due to abusing a holy book. Evidence trumps mere belief.

I have more evidence for my beliefs than I need to know what is real. Personal experience always trumps something you got from a college book.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have more evidence for my beliefs than I need to know what is real. Personal experience always trumps something you got from a college book.

You have demonstrated that that is not the case. You do not even seem to understand the concept of evidence. Evidence is not a private concept. You may have confirmation bias, but I sincerely doubt if you have any evidence at all.

What supposed evidence do you think that you have? Give us your one best example of evidence please.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have more evidence for my beliefs than I need to know what is real. Personal experience always trumps something you got from a college book.

LOL College books are filled with scientific studies. But you do you, boo. I'm sure your personal experiences are more valuable than those. I don't know about you, but next time I need surgery I'm going to consult with someone who went to college and read those pesky "college books."

 

[Wildswanderer]

LOL College books are filled with scientific studies. But you do you, boo. I'm sure your personal experiences are more valuable than those. I don't know about you, but next time I need surgery I'm going to consult with someone who went to college and read those pesky "college books."

Science is constantly changing. What was once fact is now fiction...

 

[Wildswanderer]

Evidence is not a private concept.

What do you trust more? Something that happened to you or something you read?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What do you trust more? Something that happened to you or something you read?

False dichotomy. Many of the facts that I accept I can and at times have verified for myself. What "happened to you" is highly subjective and can be easily misinterpreted. Please note that you did not post any of the supposed events that happened to you . You could not give the one best example of the supposed evidence for your beliefs.

 

[Wildswanderer]

False dichotomy. Many of the facts that I accept I can and at times have verified for myself. What "happened to you" is highly subjective and can be easily misinterpreted. Please note that you did not post any of the supposed events that happened to you . You could not give the one best example of the supposed evidence for your beliefs.

Answer the question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Answer the question.

I did answer it. You posted a question with a false dichotomy that could not be answered properly without correction. Here is one back at you:

"Answer yes or not: Have you quit beating your wife yet?"

Do you see how (hopefully) that you cannot answer that question properly as asked? When a person asks a poorly framed question very often the only way to properly answer it is to reframe it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I did answer it. You posted a question with a false dichotomy that could not be answered properly without correction. Here is one back at you:

"Answer yes or not: Have you quit beating your wife yet?"

Do you see how (hopefully) that you cannot answer that question properly as asked? When a person asks a poorly framed question very often the only way to properly answer it is to reframe it.

Lol, anything to wiggle out of answering a perfectly logical question. Your comparison is ridiculous.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, anything to wiggle out of answering a perfectly logical question. Your comparison is ridiculous.

No, it was not "logical". I even gave you an example of a question that you hopefully could not answer yes or no. You made an error. You assumed that others could not do more than just read.

Just because you are incapable of doing or understanding almost anything in the sciences does not mean that others cannot do so. You made the error of limiting it to what you read. That was an error on your part.

Meanwhile, everyone can see how you refuse to even give an example of your supposed "evidence" that tells us that you do not have any.

As to the age of the Earth I can give you places in the US where you can verify the great age of some of the sedimentary deposits on the Earth and that is without years of education.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

OK not just through chance but through chance and rules of natural selection and laws of physics etc but wait, with no God all these are the result of chance also. So the big picture is chance even though there are chance mechanisms and laws etc also.

Chance plays a roll, but it isn't all random.

And yes it is easy to display behaviour unbecoming of a follower of Christ while in the midst of all of this. It is regrettable and hopefully does not happen too often.

You seem to be very civil. I rather enjoy discussing things with you. You show an open mind and seem to be getting some understanding of the perspective from science. It was not you that I had in mind when posted that observation. Some people get riled up and are rather unpleasant and follow a very narrow-minded and shallow perspective revealing a rather limited understanding while attempting to appear the expert.

There is strain when being attacked by half a dozen people at once who repeat the same stuff and make their posts as long as possible so that if you wanted to answer them you would have to spend all day on the computer, only to find out that the next day there are even more and longer posts to answer. It a strategy to shut you down and waste your time I'm sure.

Calling it being attacked is a little much I think. We aren't forced to participate in this forum and we can pick who we respond to. I have seen creationists use that tactic, but I can't say I have seen anyone supporting science doing that. I think they just have a lot to say to address some of the misconceptions, logical fallacies and misinformation.

You don't seem to have the need to worry about all that.

I don't. Facts, logic and atheists do not scare me or cause me to get riled up. I've spent years of education in science and more years practicing it. Some people try to dismiss advanced educations, but I suspect it to be an expression of jealousy and ignorance. Perhaps fear they failed. Who knows.

I have to tell you the atheists engaged in these discussions are some pretty intelligent and knowledgeable people that use reason and evidence to make their points. They may be demanding, but they aren't attacking anyone. I agree with them on that. I don't particular care for meaningless responses of empty claims and then doubling down on it. Or repetition of logical fallacies and flawed information. We may not agree on beliefs, but we share a value of science and the knowledge gained using it. I like them.

Science is just a way for us to learn about the natural world based on the evidence of observations. It isn't about replacing God or showing God doesn't exist. It is about reporting the facts and making rational explanations and conclusions unattributed to what a person believes. That's all.

I leave it there for now.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Irrelevant. The vast majority of humans believe in a creator.

Not irrelevant. Far from it. It is spot on what you are doing and then doubling down on it here.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You are the one with no understanding of reality.

Don't count yourself out of this. Considering logical fallacies and flawed information is the basis of your otherwise empty claims, you are holding your own on misunderstanding reality.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I have more evidence for my beliefs than I need to know what is real. Personal experience always trumps something you got from a college book.

Show me.

I think it is pretty well known that you don't like education or consider it of any use. Pity. It would help you more than you seem to understand.

There seems to be a growing national trend with this among some Christians.

I know a number of plumbers, electricians and other tradesmen that have educations and learned from study and books. They are quite successful.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Science is constantly changing. What was once fact is now fiction...

That isn't really true. Especially in the way you mean. Facts don't change, but our understanding of them does. Science was designed with that in mind. It is a strength of science that seems to hold up well against the attacks of deniers.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I think it is pretty well known that you don't like education or consider it of any use

Hogwash. I'm very pro education.