Why do humans have genes for full body hair?

[Audie]

This is it....

Show me evidence abiogenisis actually happened(not a few things might be possible) or admit defeat. Your choice.

Too clever by one half fools you?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Most mutations being harmful

This is incorrect.
Most mutations are actually neutral. ie, they have no effect on fitness at all.

, are the result of the broken world we live in since the garden, IMO.

That makes no sense and makes me think you don't actually understand what mutations are.

Like I said, I believe God holds the system all together.

Why do you believe that?

There are times when he supernaturally intervenes,

How do you know?

and times when he heals through the medical field

So when a doctor performs surgery and saves your life, the credit should go to your god and not the doctor?
God violated the free will of the doctor and made him do it?

or someone changing to a more healthy lifestyle.

So when I quite smoking, the credit should not go to me for sticking to it, but to your god?
God violated my free will and made me quit?

If a medicine heals someone, it's not as if God is not involved in the process because he created the chemicals involved, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a miracle.

Huh?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What is the benefit of losing hair?

If losing hair is beneficial, why didn’t other mammals that live in the savanna lost their hair?

Humans evolved other ways of thermoregulation. We have a lot more sweat glands, which allows for cooling. Coupled with development of clothing and ability to control fire, our fur was no longer necessary and even a hurdle for hunting during the day in africa.

With less fur and more sweat glands, our ancestors were a lot better equipped for "endurance" running and alike.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That doesn’t seem to be a “life saving” benefit

Being able to better hunt is not "life saving"?

and doesn’t seem to compensate the fact that without hair one has no protection from the sun

You think like a white person.
Our ancestors in africa would have had a lot better natural protection through darker pigmentation. This is done through melanin, which naturally blocks UV light.

This is why black people have less problems with sunburn then us pale causasians.

nor from the cold ……….

Clothes and fire.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Ok and did you note the chicken and egg problem?........ what evolved first, “dark skin” or hairlessness?

1. when people try to point out "chicken and egg" problems in evolution, it is usually a sign that they don't understand evolution. Things can evolve simultaneously and in other instances, there is no such problem because the "egg" part was already present as a trait.

2. our ancestors already had dark skin and didn't have to "evolve" it to "compensate" for the loss of fur. Why, did you think our ancestors in africa looked like blue-eyed blond norwegians?

1 If dark skin evolved first, then why did it evolved? Dark skin would have been useless in a hairy ape

Have you have seen a gorilla? Or a chimp?
Are they white?

Here's a bald chimp

Hair doesn't block all sunlight. I have a nice big bush of hair on my head. But my head will still get sunburn, through my hair.

2 if hairlessness evolved first, then hairlessness would have been negative because the naked ape would have not have dark skin

Our ancestors were dark skinned. Just like the other primates that still live over there.

Besides these are not “life saving benefits” and therefore would have not been selectively positive

Why would an improved ability to hunt not be positive?

 

[leroy]

Humans evolved other ways of thermoregulation. We have a lot more sweat glands, which allows for cooling. Coupled with development of clothing and ability to control fire, our fur was no longer necessary and even a hurdle for hunting during the day in africa.

With less fur and more sweat glands, our ancestors were a lot better equipped for "endurance" running and alike.

That is mere speculation.


This might sound reasonable in your imagination, but once you try to develop a detailed model of how harlessness evolve you will find a bunch of contradictions

 

[leroy]

1. when people try to point out "chicken and egg" problems in evolution, it is usually a sign that they don't understand evolution. Things can evolve simultaneously and in other instances, there is no such problem because the "egg" part was already present as a trait.

2. our ancestors already had dark skin and didn't have to "evolve" it to "compensate" for the loss of fur. Why, did you think our ancestors in africa looked like blue-eyed blond norwegians?




Have you have seen a gorilla? Or a chimp?
Are they white?

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Here's a bald chimp

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Hair doesn't block all sunlight. I have a nice big bush of hair on my head. But my head will still get sunburn, through my hair.



Our ancestors were dark skinned. Just like the other primates that still live over there.



Why would an improved ability to hunt not be positive?

Acorriding to this source
Why did white skin evolve? | BBC Science Focus Magazine
The apes that we’re descended from probably had pale skin under their dark fur, just as modern chimpanzees have now
Is the source wrong ?

Why would an improved ability to hunt not be positive?

I don't grant that harlessness improves the ability to hunt

Things can evolve simultaneously

If mutations are random, then it would be very , very unlikely to have simultaneously evolution.



The fact that we have things that appear to have evolved simultaneously testify against random mutations models

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is mere speculation.


This might sound reasonable in your imagination, but once you try to develop a detailed model of how harlessness evolve you will find a bunch of contradictions

Really? Name some.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Acorriding to this source
Why did white skin evolve? | BBC Science Focus Magazine
The apes that we’re descended from probably had pale skin under their dark fur, just as modern chimpanzees have now
Is the source wrong ?

Probably not. We were probably "white" before we were "black". What difference does it make? Except for scientific curiosity why even ask in the first place?

I don't grant that harlessness improves the ability to hunt

Really? Then how do you get rid of excess heat?

If mutations are random, then it would be very , very unlikely to have simultaneously evolution.

Why? Do you seriously think that everything evolves one trait at a time? Can you support your claim?


The fact that we have things that appear to have evolved simultaneously testify against random mutations models[/QUOTE]

 

[Wildswanderer]

So when a doctor performs surgery and saves your life, the credit should go to your god and not the doctor?

Correct. You should certainly thank the doctor for his skill. But God gave him the ability to have those skills.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Correct. You should certainly thank the doctor for his skill. But God gave him the ability to have those skills.

He did? Cool. How did he deliver it? FED- EX, UPS, or was it Amazon?

 

[Wildswanderer]

He did? Cool. How did he deliver it? FED- EX, UPS, or was it Amazon?

When he created that person's mind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When he created that person's mind.

What makes you think that God did that?

I do love the endless game of Heads God wins, tails you lose when it comes to certain theist's beliefs.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What makes you think that God did that?

I do love the endless game of Heads God wins, tails you lose when it comes to certain theist's beliefs.

I don't know what that means.
Everything good comes from God.
Any ability that you might have is only borrowed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know what that means.
Everything good comes from God.
Any ability that you might have is only borrowed.

Do you have any evidence for any of that? The last time I checked you only had mere belief. You had no reason for any of your beliefs. Any ability that I have is due to my evolutionary heritage and the environment that I was brought up. I do have evidence for that.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Do you have any evidence for any of that? The last time I checked you only had mere belief. You had no reason for any of your beliefs. Any ability that I have is due to my evolutionary heritage and the environment that I was brought up. I do have evidence for that.

What you consider evidence is just man's theories. What I consider evidence is God's revelation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What you consider evidence is just man's theories. What I consider evidence is God's revelation.

Nope. You have that backwards because you do not even understand the concept of evidence. That is why you get fooled into your religious beliefs. The theories are a result of the evidence. The evidence exists independent of them. You would still be an ape whether man had ever written the theory of evolution or not. In fact do you who was the first scientist that realized that men were apes? It was Carl Linnaeus. The man that came up with the genus/species classification system. And he was a creationist.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nope. You have that backwards because you do not even understand the concept of evidence. That is why you get fooled into your religious beliefs. The theories are a result of the evidence. The evidence exists independent of them. You would still be an ape whether man had ever written the theory of evolution or not. In fact do you who was the first scientist that realized that men were apes? It was Carl Linnaeus. The man that came up with the genus/species classification system. And he was a creationist.

I'm not " fooled" into my belief.
The fools are those who believe they are the result of blind chance.
They should put fuzzy dice on their car mirrors so they have a god to worship. " Oh, thank you, blind chance for creating me and making me capable of tying my shoes and operating a computer."

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not " fooled" into my belief.
The fools are those who believe they are the result of blind chance.
They should put fuzzy dice on their car mirrors so they have a god to worship. " Oh, thank you, blind chance for creating me and making me capable of tying my shoes and operating a computer."

And look at that, you can't even get your arguments straight. Evolution is not by "blind chance". If a person willingly believes false beliefs are you saying that they are a liar? Or perhaps just not all that bright? To me it seems that most of them were tricked into their beliefs. Anything else seems rather derogatory,.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And look at that, you can't even get your arguments straight. Evolution is not by "blind chance". If a person willingly believes false beliefs are you saying that they are a liar? Or perhaps just not all that bright? To me it seems that most of them were tricked into their beliefs. Anything else seems rather derogatory,.

Are you speaking of yourself?
And of course it's blind chance, if there's no intelligence behind it.