PureX
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Only if you're Jewish zealot. Which almost no one is.
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Why do so few people keep the seventh day Sabbath?
- Thread starter Messianic Israelite
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The Bible also says this, yet here you are with this thread:
Colossians 2:16:
Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days.
No Christian knows when a new moon appears in the sky, neither do they know what Sabbath day-s mean. Golly, they do not even know that the feasts referred to in this verse, are not Jewish feasts.
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lostwanderingsoul
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I really believe that Satan was so jealous of God and wanted to be worshiped like God that he found a way to take over the name of "Christian". Constantine was a PAGAN and never stopped his pagan beliefs. But Satan found a way to have him influence the early church and keep the pagan beliefs but called them "Christian" and forced those beliefs on people with the power of the Roman empire. Everything that God told people to do was eliminated. God's sabbath and holy days were said to be only for the Jews.The new so called Christians wanted nothing to do with them. But God said his rules were for all people. So by ignoring them, Satan got people to worship his false teachings.
At least Congress in the 90s knew what the Noahide Laws were.
Text - H.J.Res.104 - 102nd Congress (1991-1992): To designate March 26, 1991, as "Education Day, U.S.A.".
"To designate March 26, 1991, as "Education Day, U.S.A.".
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws..."
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws..."
Now I'm not sure Congress know much of anything
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Even the non-orthodox Jews have to uphold the Sabbath.
Have you never noticed how the Jews disappear from here briefly over the weekend? That's because they are keeping the Sabbath.
Amd, yes, there are some ultra orthodox Jewish zealots. If you look, they are there. I promise.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Not where I live. Very few people have a real faith to keep, although some still claim to be social Christians.
So we do have rest days but not like the biblical ones where very little was allowed to be done.
For an outsider like me, the Ten Commandments are a poor moral compass. None of my neighbors has servants, for example. Four of the ten rules are about keeping the priesthood in a job, Thou shalt not kill / murder is vague and ambiguous. Don't steal works reasonably well at the individual level but not at the corporate level. Slavery is silently condoned. There is little attempt to convey principles, no concept of fairness or reciprocity, no command to be honest, or to act with decency, kindness, inclusiveness.
The idea of the weekend is as a rule good for families with kids, and for schools, and for certain businesses but by no means all. God rested when [he] wanted to. Why shouldn't [his] followers do the same? Works for me.
wellwisher
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God created the heavens and earth in six days and he rested on the seventh day. The Sabbath day or the seventh day is when God was not creating anything new, since he was resting. God does not start his work again until the eight day; Sunday, which begins a new cycle of creation. The Old Testament is what happens during the Sabbath rest of God when humans make their own choices on earth using law. Atheists often point out the point that God is all knowing so why didn't he anticipate Adam and Eve and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The answer is God was resting and stopped all working. This gave Satan a chance to act.
The question one may ask is who was in charge of humans, while God was resting? By God's own rules, one is not supposed to do any work. In the Old Testament, Satan, who was in the tree of knowledge of good and evil, was in charge while God rested. Satan gains the active role as Lord of the Earth to look after Adam and Eve after their banishment. Satan is connected to Law or knowledge of Good and Evil.
Satan is not thrown from heaven, until Revelations of the New Testament, This means Satan was condoned in heaven in the Old Testament. Satan was in charge of humans, from the Old Testament, through the time of Jesus.
The authority of Satan as Lord of the Earth can be seen in Mathew 4. Jesus goes into the desert to fast for 40 days. Near the end of the fast he is tempted by Satan. Among other things Satan promise Jesus all the wealth and power of the kingdoms of the earth if he would bow and serve Satan. Jesus does not deny Satan has this power and authority on earth to offer this, but rather Jesus graciously refuses the offer. Had Jesus accept he would have become the Messiah anticipated in the Old Testament. However, by refusing the offer Jesus goes after Satan's Job.
When Satan is finally thrown from Heaven, God ends his rest and begins to work again with Jesus at the right hand of power. Christians celebrate, not so much the original creation, as they do the second phase of creation, starting on day eight. This is connected to human development. God takes an interest again in the humans and forces their evolution via the drama within bible prophesies. In the end of Revelations, a new type of human remains, who is better equipped for the future. Satan and law ; tree of knowledge of good and evil, have been atoned for and neutralized.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
@Messianic Israelite
The Torah gives a couple of reasons for the law regarding the Shabbat. One of the reasons is to remember that the LORD delivered us from slavery in Egypt with a mighty hand. Well, non-Jews simply don't have ancestors that were so delivered. It is obvious then that the keep of the Shabbat doesn't apply to them, just as making sacrifices in the Temple doesn't, or eating Kosher doesn't, or separating linen from wool in garments doesn't. Most non-Jews recognize that keeping the Shabbat is not a universal Law like thou shalt not murder.
The Torah gives a couple of reasons for the law regarding the Shabbat. One of the reasons is to remember that the LORD delivered us from slavery in Egypt with a mighty hand. Well, non-Jews simply don't have ancestors that were so delivered. It is obvious then that the keep of the Shabbat doesn't apply to them, just as making sacrifices in the Temple doesn't, or eating Kosher doesn't, or separating linen from wool in garments doesn't. Most non-Jews recognize that keeping the Shabbat is not a universal Law like thou shalt not murder.
Messianic Israelite
Active Member
Hi Katzpur. Good afternoon. Your argument is one I have heard many a time. Yahweh sanctified one day as holy each week, and that was the seventh day Sabbath, the scriptural day that begins on Friday evening to Saturday evening. You or I cannot sanctify our own personal day as holy. Only Yahweh can make holy. And if you say, well Yahweh knows my heart, I'm telling you that it is an evil heart that decides which day they can observe for the Sabbath when Yahweh has not changed His Sabbath which is a memorial to all creation.
Messianic Israelite
Active Member
Hi Rival. Good afternoon. No-one is duped in keeping the Torah Law. For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; And reproofs of instruction are the way of life says Proverbs 6:23. Yahweh doesn't delight in false balances (Proverbs 11:1). In the Kingdom of Yahweh all the Torah will be kept. Anyone desiring to be in said Kingdom must also observe that Law.
rosends
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Scripturally, the day of rest is on the seventh day (which, if you could explain why, you could expand to the sixth at night) but why do you assume that this is Saturday and not Sunday?
Messianic Israelite
Active Member
Hi Rival. Shalom. The early so called "Chr-stians" kept the Biblical Law. Telling people not to keep the commandments of Yahweh is wrong. If you truly delight in the Law of Yahweh, you should want others to share in those beautiful commandments also so that they themselves can learn the Kingdom way of life. Matthew 5:17 says "17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil." Yahshua came to fulfil or do the commandments, not get rid of them, and His people must follow his example. Also, may I remind you of Isaiah 56 unless you want to say that Yahweh didn't know what he meant when he said the man that keeps the Sabbath is blessed, not just the Jew.
Messianic Israelite
Active Member
Hi Rosends. Good afternoon. Good question. The Jews have been faithful in keeping the seventh day holy for millennia. Most people will recognize Sunday as the first day of the week, but some Chr-stians claim that the Messiah was resurrected on the Sunday therefore the Sabbath has changed to the Sunday. However it should be noted that the Messiah wasn't resurrected on a Sunday and secondly, we cannot change the day that Yahweh sanctified and blessed as holy and rested on after 6 literal days of creation.
In terms of explaining the scriptural day, scriptural days according to the Bible begin at evening when the sun sets. You can read Genesis 1 to see this for yourself and they are other scriptures you can refer to see that a day begins at evening.
rosends
Well-Known Member
It actually isn't so clear from the text of Genesis that a day begins when the sun sets (the first day unit is established before the sun exists). And if the reason for opting for Saturday is based in the Jewish computation, then is everything reckoned by Jewish computation or is there a line drawn?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Okay, so you're telling me I have an evil heart. That doesn't exactly make me want to have any further dialogue with you in the future. At any rate, I hope having insulted me made you feel good. In that case, posting wouldn't have been a total waste of your time.
McBell
Unbound
Prove it.
I have to flat out ask because the last time you provided scripture it did not support the claim.
Mestemia,
Are you looking for proof that day begins at sundown or that the Jews kept Sabbath on a Saturday?
Kind regards
Rob.
McBell
Unbound
The day of week.
The claim made is that it is "Friday" to "Saturday"
The last time he made the claim he referenced a verse that says "the ninth day of the month"....